Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

There is little evidence on this forum to back up your statement; "I am thinking.."

Present continuous ? Do keep up . .
Stephen

[mashman]

Is it a yes or no on personal ownership continuing under your proposal? Tis an inconclusive answer you gave as nobody being able to sell it you suggests no, but being able to sell it to yourself suggests a degree of ownership in the first place. Of course neither of which addresses the relevant point for some, will the new 'govt' take any of my 3 holiday houses, 7 weekend cars/bikes, or 432 gold rings? since I cannot use them all at once.

That's up to the individual innit. Why would anyone take anything that "belongs" to someone else?

In regards to the selling thing, I meant you need to sell the solution/idea (not material goods) to yourself, as no other person can.

[bogan]

That's up to the individual innit. Why would anyone take anything that "belongs" to someone else?

In regards to the selling thing, I meant you need to sell the solution/idea (not material goods) to yourself, as no other person can.

So yes, personal ownership does continue; because that is what some or many will decide. So who then decides how much goods/resources a person can acquire, given that money isn't a thing, and personal ownership is?

Then you have a profound misunderstanding of how a proposal works.

[mashman]

So yes, personal ownership does continue; because that is what some or many will decide. So who then decides how much goods/resources a person can acquire, given that money isn't a thing, and personal ownership is?

Then you have a profound misunderstanding of how a proposal works.

Personal responsibility will decide.

@ironing. I understand that no person on this planet can sell me anything. I must sell it to me in order to want it for me. I may be swayed because the thing is nice and shiny or that the thing is a graphene display or that I simply like women's shoes, but it will be ME that has swayed myself and therefore me that sells it to myself, the advertising is nothing more than suggestion I make the choice.

[bogan]

Personal responsibility will decide.

Sweet, I always wanted a Lambo in the garage Even if personal responsibility of those making the change won out, there would be capitalists who want to see it fail, and would buy 10 lambos per week to achieve just that.

And this is why it cannot be forced upon others, nor will it ever come to pass; go with my plan and turn yourself into the change you wish others to make, lead by example.

[mashman]

Sweet, I always wanted a Lambo in the garage Even if personal responsibility of those making the change won out, there would be capitalists who want to see it fail, and would buy 10 lambos per week to achieve just that.

And this is why it cannot be forced upon others, nor will it ever come to pass; go with my plan and turn yourself into the change you wish others to make, lead by example.

You seem to be discounting the fact that whoever wants a lambo will have to deal with the dealer. Could end up that only him and his mates get 'em or at least get access to 'em first. Maybe you suck cock well enough though.

Never said anything would be forced did I? Glad you're happy with your plan, as you say it's easy to achieve. Some of us prefer to work hard for that which they desire.

[bogan]

You seem to be discounting the fact that whoever wants a lambo will have to deal with the dealer. Could end up that only him and his mates get 'em or at least get access to 'em first. Maybe you suck cock well enough though.

Never said anything would be forced did I? Glad you're happy with your plan, as you say it's easy to achieve. Some of us prefer to work hard for that which they desire.

Right, so gotta be in charge of the import supply chain to get all the perks and kickbacks. Sound fair as

So, 100% vote to get it in then, that's a pretty big ask. Some of our plans rely on working hard, instead of asking for handouts

[mashman]

Right, so gotta be in charge of the import supply chain to get all the perks and kickbacks. Sound fair as

So, 100% vote to get it in then, that's a pretty big ask. Some of our plans rely on working hard, instead of asking for handouts

You say that as if the current system doesn't work in the exact same way.

Why 100%? @handouts.

[bogan]

You say that as if the current system doesn't work in the exact same way.

Why 100%? @handouts.

It doesn't, because anyone can be an importer (apart from a few monopolys and the like), and those giving/getting better deals get more custom, leaving the corrupt to go out of business; free market forces at work Anyway, I thought yours was supposed to be better...

Because anything less than 100% and you would be forcing people into said system (or out of the country); or are you just playing 'well I didn't actually say that' game? (another favorite of politicians)

[mashman]

It doesn't, because anyone can be an importer (apart from a few monopolys and the like), and those giving/getting better deals get more custom, leaving the corrupt to go out of business; free market forces at work Anyway, I thought yours was supposed to be better...

Because anything less than 100% and you would be forcing people into said system (or out of the country); or are you just playing 'well I didn't actually say that' game? (another favorite of politicians)

Apart from a few monopoly's eh... totally insignificant they are Such control would be nigh on impossible to achieve under "my" system. So yeah, much better.

Nah, all we need is a majority vote, ya know, same as always in a democracy.

[Brian d marge]

That's up to the individual innit. Why would anyone take anything that "belongs" to someone else?

In regards to the selling thing, I meant you need to sell the solution/idea (not material goods) to yourself, as no other person can.

Belongs . . . . A very new concept . . Wonder if it will take off


Young people with their new fangled ideas

[bogan]

Apart from a few monopoly's eh... totally insignificant they are Such control would be nigh on impossible to achieve under "my" system. So yeah, much better.

Nah, all we need is a majority vote, ya know, same as always in a democracy.

Compared to your scheme which is full of corrupt suppliers the current monopolys etc are insignificant. Your first example showed the corruptness of your system, so hardly impossible is it

So you will be forcing people, like I said earlier.

[mashman]

Compared to your scheme which is full of corrupt suppliers the current monopolys etc are insignificant. Your first example showed the corruptness of your system, so hardly impossible is it

So you will be forcing people, like I said earlier.

So you've tarred everyone as corrupt eh. Gotta say, I'm not gonna miss my lambo, so won't lose any sleep over people deciding that they wish to do business with whoever they choose to do business with. You're sounding like a Nazi again. What's the probability of that attitude pervading the entire compliment of society and their actions? I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Nope. Democracy will have spoken. That's the way democracy works. No one will be forced to do anything, you'll be more than welcome to sit and sulk in the corner and take no part in society whatsoever. The best bit, for you sulking in the corner, is that "my" society will not be deny you access to any services or resources that you need. See, we're not knuckle dragging morons unlike your fucked up n twisted logic that would have people that leave society never gain access to any resources/services again. Fuckin savage.

[bogan]

So you've tarred everyone as corrupt eh. Gotta say, I'm not gonna miss my lambo, so won't lose any sleep over people deciding that they wish to do business with whoever they choose to do business with. You're sounding like a Nazi again. What's the probability of that attitude pervading the entire compliment of society and their actions? I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Nope. Democracy will have spoken. That's the way democracy works. No one will be forced to do anything, you'll be more than welcome to sit and sulk in the corner and take no part in society whatsoever. The best bit, for you sulking in the corner, is that "my" society will not be deny you access to any services or resources that you need. See, we're not knuckle dragging morons unlike your fucked up n twisted logic that would have people that leave society never gain access to any resources/services again. Fuckin savage.

Not at all, it was your example that showed the lambo dealer to be corrupt.

Democracy forces the minority to go along with majority decision. Allowing us sit it the corner and not take part is forcing us to your ways, as you enforce the breaking of the work/reward relationship we believe in.

[mashman]

Not at all, it was your example that showed the lambo dealer to be corrupt.

Democracy forces the minority to go along with majority decision. Allowing us sit it the corner and not take part is forcing us to your ways, as you enforce the breaking of the work/reward relationship we believe in.

Nah, you're the one saying that his way of doing business is what you perceive as corrupt... I see him as doing business his way.

Not at all, you're the one heading for the corner on the basis that you have perceived that you have been forced to sit in the corner where in reality it will have been your own decision to put yourself into the corner due to you not wanting to play given the new rules. Stop blaming others for your future decisions dood... it makes you sound like a selfish wanker.