Help make filtering in NZ legal - petition

**Voltaire** · 7th November 2014, 18:33

I commute about 40kms a day, don't lanesplit very often as I have changed routes but I have observed that a large proportion of car drivers are either using their phones on speaker or looking at them at the lights.....
Chances of being pulled over by a cop in Auckland are pretty low.

**The Reibz** · 7th November 2014, 20:57

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Chances of being pulled over by a cop in Auckland are pretty low.

Chances of being ticketed by a Rent a Cop in a Auckland Transport uniform and a chip on their sholder for being to unskilled to get real work are extremely high.

**Ulsterkiwi** · 8th November 2014, 07:52

Originally Posted by FJRider

In New Zealand we call it a LINK ...

here it is ...

http://www.rideforever.co.nz/assets/...fosheet-FA.pdf

Thank you for this link. Interesting that NZ Police are listed amongst the authors. The red headed bloke on a police bike in Wellington who has been gaining a reputation for pulling bikes for splitting/filtering must have missed that day, he has been telling riders its illegal. This document says sometimes it is legal. Useful to have this, cheers.

**Big Dog** · 8th November 2014, 09:29

In all reality we would all be happy if the tin tops actually obeyed the instructions to keep as far to the left as is practical at all times and to not knowingly impede traffic that is travelling legally.

If that were always the case I would be able to lane split at 30k faster than the average flow of traffic and up to 60k without needing any change to the rules.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**Big Dog** · 8th November 2014, 09:29

Not sure if that was the actual wording but that was the sentiment when I sat my license.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**AllanB** · 8th November 2014, 11:28

Hmmm don't know.

**PrincessBandit** · 8th November 2014, 14:10

Legal or not we'll all keep on doing it, just like heaps of other things we keep doing ("it's all good unless you get caught")

**caspernz** · 8th November 2014, 16:09

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Legal or not we'll all keep on doing it, just like heaps of other things we keep doing ("it's all good unless you get caught")

That is part of the logic for many of us I'd say. If you filter daily though, no harm in signing the petition, unless sitting in Aucklands' carpark that is called a motorway is one of lifes pleasures for some...

**FJRider** · 8th November 2014, 16:58

Originally Posted by Big Dog

In all reality we would all be happy if the tin tops actually obeyed the instructions to keep as far to the left as is practical at all times and to not knowingly impede traffic that is travelling legally.

For some ... just keeping in their own lane is difficult enough ...

A law banning the use of cell phones ... while driving ... MIGHT help ...

**Big Dog** · 8th November 2014, 18:10

Originally Posted by FJRider

For some ... just keeping in their own lane is difficult enough ...

A law banning the use of cell phones ... while driving ... MIGHT help ...

Law enforcement of anything other than speeding seems to be a bit of a hard ask in an age where fuckers expect evidence instead of just copping to a fair call.
Shit I have always been willing to bend certain rules but then I have also always been willing to own that action if challenged.
I lane split in spite of the confusion, not because of any claim to civil disobedience or
Protest but because my safety comes before the law of the land and I am happy enough to either have a day in court or pay the fine
If caught.

Not so keen on ferals flouting the law for no reason other than it is the law so they must break it and not be accountable or dipshits who Break the law and argue a technicality.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**FJRider** · 8th November 2014, 18:21

Originally Posted by caspernz

.. unless sitting in Aucklands' carpark that is called a motorway is one of lifes pleasures for some...

I've avoided that for the last 30 years ... and intend to continue doing so ..

**Reckless** · 10th November 2014, 13:48

I think the petition needs a revise after reading this and a bit of a rethink 30K is bloody slow and just an open door for the cops to create another revenue stream maybe this petition has jumped the gun a bit without proper research of the studies out there.

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Seems California was the same as NZ...splitting is neither legal nor illegal, with cops ticketing or not at whim.
They have now made it LEGAL within set guidelines
Some facts from actual study of the practice here

Originally Posted by Reckless

This would make the limit 30k for car speed and 40K max for bike speed which is a little more practicle in my view

"We compared the proportion of collision-involved, lane-splitting motorcyclists with injury across several body regions by whether the lane-splitting was done only in traffic flowing at 30 mph or less and that the motorcycle speed should exceed the traffic speed by no more than 10 mph," the crash study stated. "We found that the proportion with each injury type was high when the lane-splitting was consistent with neither speed component, was lower when it was consistent with one speed component, and was lower still when it was consistent with both speed components."

Correction Thanks Ender

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

That's in mph. So, 48km/h traffic at 64km/h max for bikes.

This would be much more realistic than a 30km/h limit, which was obviously not set by anyone who actually lanesplits in motorway commuter traffic.

I agree 50K for cars and 65k for bikes as per the study would be more realistic 30k is like walking??

**James Deuce** · 10th November 2014, 13:51

Originally Posted by Reckless

30k is like walking??

It is until you get off a bike traveling at 30kph and realise that it's a bit of a push at a dead run. There's usually a bit of "earth-sky" involved too.

**catharsis** · 10th November 2014, 18:28

I only used 30k for the petition knowing two important things.
1. If you want to make NZ law makers listen to something, be able to say "That's what they've done in Australia"
2. Having it in the petition does not make it set in stone. Even if we get enough signatures, there's a lot of processing to do before a new law is written. It's just about setting those wheels in motion.

**Drew** · 10th November 2014, 18:36

Originally Posted by catharsis

I only used 30k for the petition knowing two important things.
1. If you want to make NZ law makers listen to something, be able to say "That's what they've done in Australia"
2. Having it in the petition does not make it set in stone. Even if we get enough signatures, there's a lot of processing to do before a new law is written. It's just about setting those wheels in motion.

What's the motivation for it? What is so wrong with the current legislation on filtering that it needs changed?