Help make filtering in NZ legal - petition

[James Deuce]

I have read the Road User Rule start to finish and it says no such thing about specifying that motorcycle filtering is not legal. He's talking out his arse. The legislation is freely available.

Nick Smith was talking out of his arse, as was every Govt official about the justification for raising ACC levies. It doesn't matter. If they tell the people who don't like us lane splitting and filtering that it's illegal, they will believe that.

[bogan]

I have repeatedly explained how to address the issue of bikers killing ourselves. But since it requires bikers admitting fallibility, we're screwed.

But what if you're wrong about that?

[James Deuce]

But what if you're wrong about that?

He's not entirely right, but he's not entirely wrong either.

[TheDemonLord]

The problem is they don't need to prove it. Like speeding, just stating that you were wrong is enough to get you nailed. The onus of proof ison you to prove that you weren't wrong. Good luck...

One could request a court date for the fine and present a case of reasonable doubt (the police officer couldn't see where your rear tyre was in relation to the centreline due to his position and the position of you on your bike)

Unlike speeding, where there is a Radar log (which is objective proof of your speed) you could make the case that without a dash camera/picture/video evidence that the police have failed to meet the burden of proof for a conviction

[Big Dog]

One could request a court date for the fine and present a case of reasonable doubt (the police officer couldn't see where your rear tyre was in relation to the centreline due to his position and the position of you on your bike)

Unlike speeding, where there is a Radar log (which is objective proof of your speed) you could make the case that without a dash camera/picture/video evidence that the police have failed to meet the burden of proof for a conviction

Which is exactly why speeding is pushed as an issue instead of more dangerous activities like failing to indicate, keep left or just failing to not drive / ride like a fickwit.

Not saying bend over for every moustache with aviator sunnies, but if your in the wrong you pay the fine. If your in the wrong but disagree with the application if the law contest on those grounds.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[BlackSheepLogic]

I have repeatedly explained how to address the issue of bikers killing ourselves. But since it requires bikers admitting fallibility, we're screwed.

Drew, I don't think your point of view was missed. Some of us just have a different view on how those skills are best developed. The police road craft system promotes bike handling/control as well as defensive riding.

[TheDemonLord]

Drew, I don't think your point of view was missed. Some of us just have a different view on how those skills are best developed. The police road craft system promotes bike handling/control as well as defensive riding.

Too add to this - I don't think that more laws and more guidelines are the way to help people make better decisions - on the contrary, I actually think it is detrimental to ones intellectual development. Better training and teaching people how to evaluate risks and how to use their brains is a better method.