Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Berries]

I mean, how about we say it's okay to shop lift as long as you don't pinch anything worth more than $2. A stretch, but you get the point.

Sweet.






The two dollar shop is fucked though.

[rastuscat]

[QUOTE=skippa1;1130800077]

yet the same enforcers break it at will.....


what you mean is you can travel in excess of the speed limit, but if you have had a shitty day you can issue a ticket for the exact same behaviour



What has been created is a band of moody fuckin hypocrites that can't adhere to the very Rules they enforce

While it would be nice if the entire dept cared about road safety, for most it's a fact that road safety isn't at the top of their list of priorities. Most popos don't work in road safety.

Most are just a reflection of the society we work in. So a few don't think about the detrimental effect their bad driving behaviour has on our overall
public impression.

A few are of the same view as Akzle and Skoober about speed enforcement, so it's not hard to imagine them driving to their beliefs.

That leaves those of us who give a toss frustrated, more so than even you, I suspect.

That's life. It's hard to see it changing.

[skippa1]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1130800094]

While it would be nice if the entire dept cared about road safety, for most it's a fact that road safety isn't at the top of their list of priorities. Most popos don't work in road safety.

Most are just a reflection of the society we work in. So a few don't think about the detrimental effect their bad driving behaviour has on our overall
public impression.

A few are of the same view as Akzle and Skoober about speed enforcement, so it's not hard to imagine them driving to their beliefs.

That leaves those of us who give a toss frustrated, more so than even you, I suspect.

That's life. It's hard to see it changing.

Thanks for your honesty

green bling

[haydes55]

Still haven't seen any evidence of speed limit enforcement reducing road tolls, in fact the opposite is true in any jurisdiction that has removed road regulations.

The enforcement of speed limits has caused deaths. The fear of losing licenses (and subsequently jobs) encourages people to run from the police.

Speed limits reduce peoples respect for police. Who would respect someone who takes money off you, takes your license and in some cases jobs, in false pretenses of safety.

Hypothetically.... If someone was to lose their license, and continue riding, then gets caught again.... What can the cops actually do? If someone will ignore speed limits, why would they obey a disqualification? Remove the number plate and put the rego on hold, save half a grand a year, do what ever speed you want and ride safely..... Hypothetically remember.

[buggerit]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1130800094][QUOTE=skippa1;1130800077]

While it would be nice if the entire dept cared about road safety, for most it's a fact that road safety isn't at the top of their list of priorities. Most popos don't work in road safety.

Most are just a reflection of the society we work in. So a few don't think about the detrimental effect their bad driving behaviour has on our overall
public impression.

A few are of the same view as Akzle and Skoober about speed enforcement, so it's not hard to imagine them driving to their beliefs.

That leaves those of us who give a toss frustrated, more so than even you, I suspect.

That's life. It's hard to see it changing.[/QUOTE

Once you could tell the difference, before the accountants got involved.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fact

Speed has never killed
Speed scam has never been shown to decrease road toll or save lives
Speed scam has been shown to have further reaching [negative] effects on society in whole incl but not limited to increasing accidents, decreasing respect for police, increasing hatred for the police, & (as per UK study) potentially killing people
The fastest countries in the world have some of the lowest road-tolls while the slowest have the highest, NZ helps to reflect this. Take kuala lumpur for example (yes a capital rather than a country) the avg speed there is 11km/h yet they kill an avg of 18 people per day on their roads

But hey, never let facts get in the way of a good scam right

[Taxythingy]

Take kuala lumpur for example (yes a capital rather than a country) the avg speed there is 11km/h yet they kill an avg of 18 people per day on their roads

Do you work for Stuff.co.nz? If not, you should apply. You seem to have a skill match.

[Berries]

Fact

Speed has never killed
Speed scam has never been shown to decrease road toll or save lives
Speed scam has been shown to have further reaching [negative] effects on society in whole incl but not limited to increasing accidents, decreasing respect for police, increasing hatred for the police, & (as per UK study) potentially killing people
The fastest countries in the world have some of the lowest road-tolls while the slowest have the highest, NZ helps to reflect this. Take kuala lumpur for example (yes a capital rather than a country) the avg speed there is 11km/h yet they kill an avg of 18 people per day on their roads

Nah, you lost me just there. 18 people per day in KL? Bollocks.

I have spent a bit of time in Malaysia and the reason for the high road toll (on rural roads, not in KL) is the fact that the only protective gear used on scooters is an anorak put on back to front and a basket of live chickens.

[GrayWolf]

My thinking is that being patient and waiting for a better overtaking opportunity is sometimes easier to live with than a loss of licence too.

Today I started work at 3pm... Onto the Hutt Motorway at Petone.... be patient and wait for a better overtaking spot??

Inside lane, queue of cars doing about 80kph, (big truck up front).. fairy snuff!
Middle lane, doing about 90-95, several gaps, then some bunched up vehicles..

Right hand lane.... FFS. solid queue, up front, there it is, the I'm doing 95kph, and I'm going to sit in the fast (overtaking lane) Because!! It ended up with several cars (to get past the numpty) having to dive into a 'gap' in the middle lane, then get back into the right hand lane. You guessed it.... NOTHING in front of the numpty.
When we got past the Ngauranga interchange....the left lane traffic thinned out somewhat... there it was, numpty, still in the right lane doing 95, and wasnt going to vacate it for no-one.....
So, we go further to where the traffic coming down the gorge to wellington merges (4 lanes into 3) yup middle lane traffic 'undertaking' numpty. By the time I turned off at Aotea Quay... it was STILL in the right hand lane.

[Mo NZ]

Still haven't seen any evidence of speed limit enforcement reducing road tolls, in fact the opposite is true in any jurisdiction that has removed road regulations.

.

Himm.

I heard the 10kph thing started in Central Districts. The cops ticketed every driver 11kph over the limit.
There was a 60% reductions in fatal crashes in the area over the next year.
Some bean counter worked out that each fatal cost $1,000,000.
Bring on the Highway Patrol.
Then the 10kph thing went viral.

There was shitloads of comments about the 10kph thing in Central Districts at the time.
It was almost a given if you sped up S.H.1 from Bulls to Waiouru you almost certainly get stopped and a ticket.

The rest is history

[haydes55]

Himm.



I heard the 10kph thing started in Central Districts. The cops ticketed every driver 11kph over the limit.

There was a 60% reductions in fatal crashes in the area over the next year.

Some bean counter worked out that each fatal cost $1,000,000.

Bring on the Highway Patrol.

Then the 10kph thing went viral.



There was shitloads of comments about the 10kph thing in Central Districts at the time.

It was almost a given if you sped up S.H.1 from Bulls to Waiouru you almost certainly get stopped and a ticket.



The rest is history

Fatalities dropped because of enforcement of safety equipment. If you look at the stats, I bet the number of crashes didn't drop significantly.

[Mo NZ]

I think you be surprised it you were to look up the stats before you bet anything on that.
The flow on effect was a dramatic reduction across the board ( including fatals ).
Check it out.

[Mo NZ]

Fatalities dropped because of enforcement of safety equipment.

By that I assume you mean the introduction of the Highway Patrol Groups, cars with front and rear antennas, cops to drive them and do the enforcement, with a direction to rigidly enforce the 10kph rule. I understand the Govt made extra funding available to the cops for this, over and above the usual funding at the time.

[jasonu]

Just try and make sure you are following behind someone else as much as possible so they get the ticket and not you. What I found though with the 5km tolerance people would drive at 45km/hr in town so now lots of people will be doing 40. This brings to an end of any hope of 110km/hr on the open road.

and if you have to slam on your brakes be sure no one is behind you.

[Scuba_Steve]

Do you work for Stuff.co.nz? If not, you should apply. You seem to have a skill match.

Nah, you lost me just there. 18 people per day in KL? Bollocks.

I have spent a bit of time in Malaysia and the reason for the high road toll (on rural roads, not in KL) is the fact that the only protective gear used on scooters is an anorak put on back to front and a basket of live chickens.

Yea my bad guys was tired so sorta half arsed it. Was running off memory of a doco I saw year back which went on about lowest speeds but some of the highest road fatalities so searched out road fatalities in KL, pulled info from page I found; just gone back & looked at it now & it was 18.6 people per day in Malaysia not just KL... Need to find that doco again, think it was a BBC one... Even so mistake excluded, fact still stands

By that I assume you mean the introduction of the Highway Patrol Groups, cars with front and rear antennas, cops to drive them and do the enforcement, with a direction to rigidly enforce the 10kph rule. I understand the Govt made extra funding available to the cops for this, over and above the usual funding at the time.

No introduction of devices like ABS, anti-roll bars, side intrusion bars, stability control, traction control, improved seatbelts, airbags, improved crumple zones, WRB etc
These have been clearly shown to help reduce road fatalities, the speed scam (and HW patrol) has not!