Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

**R650R** · 2nd January 2015, 07:06

Originally Posted by haydes55

Read my post agai...

fuck no it was bad enough the first time.... These people, our people, my people.... we all know what these terms mean in the Michael Laws urban dictionary of public relations...

**R650R** · 2nd January 2015, 07:07

Originally Posted by RDJ

Heading south on the Sporty, middle of lane, just before Sanson en route to P Nth... when a 'plainclothes' (?Japanese) police car (grey s/w) pulled out of the northbound queue w/all lights flashing - northbound just outside the Sanson 50k zone and using up half of what I'd previously regarded as 'my' lane. Last seen going north at a high rate of knots... Have to wonder if he/she even saw a rider in the oncoming lane...

Its like a motorway through there, roads are wide as...

**Scuba_Steve** · 2nd January 2015, 20:38

Originally Posted by speedpro

Speeding. After the "simple" analysis that seems to be the only reason put forward.

Of course if the road toll is lower than at some other period then that is used to verify the effectiveness of whatever was being focused on, which mainly seems to be reducing speed. Less speed = lower road toll. Therefore a lower speed limit or tolerance is good and justified. We've seen this over recent years.

Of course, equally, if the road toll is "not" lower than at some other period then that is used to validate the argument that we need to further reduce the speed limit or tolerance. Either way the stats are used to justify further draconian measures.

Nothing else seems to be considered. Certainly no factors other than speed are so regularly quoted. I've always thought some way of measuring fleet miles travelled over the periods in question would be useful when considering road toll stats. Of course if for some reason, like a sudden huge increase in fuel costs, not many people actually hit the road but the road toll was exactly the same then per person per mile travelled the toll would be worse. Weather plays a big part in the number of fleet miles travelled, especially for the 3-day weekend type breaks, so a significant toll reduction on such a break when the weather caused a reduction in numbers of those travelling would be irrelevant without taking account of miles travelled. Without a monitored GPS device in every vehicle though the miles travelled is hard to determine. An idea I had is to record the fuel used nationally over the monitored period. Given that distance is recorded at WOF time it shouldn't be difficult to determine the average fleet distance travelled annually and estimate the distance the fleet travels over say the Christmas holidays.

I look forward to hearing the spin put on it all. As was said by someone - Statistics can be used to prove whatever you want, OR there's lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Ya ask me the road toll's linked to The Pirate Bay popularity
As The Pirate Bay has been gaining popularity the road toll has been decreasing, recently The Pirate Bay was [illegally] taken down again & look what's happening to the road toll now...

* this linkage is as factually accurate as the NZTA's/NZ Police "road toll vs speed scam"

**haydes55** · 3rd January 2015, 08:54

"The age group with the highest number of victims also changed. In 2013, the biggest group was 40 to 59 but in 2014, it was 60-plus."

From a herald article.

You reckon 60+ year olds are the worst speeders? Or is it something else that causes them to crash and die more often?

**Ocean1** · 3rd January 2015, 09:06

Originally Posted by haydes55

"The age group with the highest number of victims also changed. In 2013, the biggest group was 40 to 59 but in 2014, it was 60-plus."

From a herald article.

You reckon 60+ year olds are the worst speeders? Or is it something else that causes them to crash and die more often?

Yeah, there's more of 'em. The bulge in rider numbers by age has followed that lot all the way from the 70's, and it's substantial.

Last time I looked accident numbers by age was a toss up between those in that age group and beginners in their 20's, in spite of the difference in numbers riding.

**_Shrek_** · 3rd January 2015, 09:35

went into Milford on the 1st to pick up the tag.... with out exaggeration every 2nd motor home/camper was on the wrong side of the road coming around blind corners, or just pulling out from the side of the road after taking pic's with out looking.... bit surprised the toll is not higher.....cheers

to the bus driver that went O

& moved over enough so I didn't become an ornament....

**haydes55** · 3rd January 2015, 09:49

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Yeah, there's more of 'em. The bulge in rider numbers by age has followed that lot all the way from the 70's, and it's substantial.

Last time I looked accident numbers by age was a toss up between those in that age group and beginners in their 20's, in spite of the difference in numbers riding.

Sorry should have clarified, that's for all vehicles.

**FJRider** · 3rd January 2015, 12:46

Originally Posted by RDJ

Heading south on the Sporty, middle of lane, just before Sanson en route to P Nth... when a 'plainclothes' (?Japanese) police car (grey s/w) pulled out of the northbound queue w/all lights flashing - northbound just outside the Sanson 50k zone and using up half of what I'd previously regarded as 'my' lane. Last seen going north at a high rate of knots... Have to wonder if he/she even saw a rider in the oncoming lane...

You know the rules regarding emergency vehicles with flashing lights/sirens on ...

Sporty's don't need ALL the lane do they ..

**skippa1** · 3rd January 2015, 13:32

Originally Posted by RDJ

Heading south on the Sporty, middle of lane, just before Sanson en route to P Nth... when a 'plainclothes' (?Japanese) police car (grey s/w) pulled out of the northbound queue w/all lights flashing - northbound just outside the Sanson 50k zone and using up half of what I'd previously regarded as 'my' lane. Last seen going north at a high rate of knots... Have to wonder if he/she even saw a rider in the oncoming lane...

That car works that area all the time, its a grey sv6 holden sw. He wont have cared if he saw you, theyre like that.....fuckin bacon.

**R650R** · 3rd January 2015, 14:53

Originally Posted by FJRider

You know the rules regarding emergency vehicles with flashing lights/sirens on ...

Sporty's don't need ALL the lane do they ..

Was thinking same thing.... prob better that the cop is late to crime scene and someones wife gets bashed to death than a poor Harley rider has to back off the gas and move over a little....
Would have been the perfect excuse for some unnecessary brap brap acceleration afterwards, posing opportunity missed....

**Ocean1** · 3rd January 2015, 17:33

Originally Posted by haydes55

Sorry should have clarified, that's for all vehicles.

Wouldn't surprise me if there was a similar trend there too. Fewer people are getting licences of any sort and the west is generally doing fewer miles lately.

**rastuscat** · 3rd January 2015, 17:51

In the Koru Club on the way to Hong Kong. Let's do a statistical analysis on whether my absence makes the toll go up or down

Just sayin. Stats can say anything you want them to.

**98tls** · 3rd January 2015, 17:54

Originally Posted by rastuscat

In the Koru Club on the way to Hong Kong. Let's do a statistical analysis on whether my absence makes the toll go up or down

Just sayin. Stats can say anything you want them to.

Sure your not down south mate...