Police erode public faith article

**FJRider** · 13th January 2015, 17:32

Originally Posted by unstuck

Fuck you sheep shagger, you got no proof.

No pic's ... didn't happen.

KB 101 ...

**mstriumph** · 15th January 2015, 01:28

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Yeah, wise move. I re-read your posts and realised that I completely took two parts of what you said separately instead of looking at one in the context of the other.

i.e. massive comprehension fuck-up brought on by trying to answer too many posts in a short space of time. Sorry.

happens

: no problem

**BlackSheepLogic** · 15th January 2015, 08:11

Originally Posted by swbarnett

There are a lot of drivers that are dis-courteous but not actually dangerous.

While living in the US some traffic tickets could have the points mitigated and fines reduced by taking a half day class in road safety. I think this is a much better idea as once a driver has been identified as a problem on the road they are "encouraged" to improve there driving rather than being just being a revenue source.

**scumdog** · 15th January 2015, 10:11

Originally Posted by BlackSheepLogic

While living in the US some traffic tickets could have the points mitigated and fines reduced by taking a half day class in road safety. I think this is a much better idea as once a driver has been identified as a problem on the road they are "encouraged" to improve there driving rather than being just being a revenue source.

Given by the most common attitude I see/read you would have to beat most Kiwi drivers with a big stick to get them to attend a class on road safety. They's all good drivers donchaknow...

**rastuscat** · 22nd January 2015, 20:02

Many even crash with no laws or legislation being broken by them.

Describe such a crash please. I'd be willing to bet Careless Driving covers every crash.

**swbarnett** · 22nd January 2015, 21:13

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Describe such a crash please. I'd be willing to bet Careless Driving covers every crash.

How about:

Loss of control due to invisible black ice on an otherwise dry road.
Catastrophic mechanical failure. A tyre blow out perhaps.
Caught in the middle of a landslide.

To name but a few.

**rastuscat** · 22nd January 2015, 22:14

Originally Posted by swbarnett

How about:

Loss of control due to invisible black ice on an otherwise dry road.
Catastrophic mechanical failure. A tyre blow out perhaps.
Caught in the middle of a landslide.

To name but a few.

Well spotted. I thought you were referring to driver-caused crashes, which make up by far the vast majority of crashes.

To be sure, environmental crashes happen. One of my guys wrote off a troll bike years ago when a tree fell down into the roadway. He hit the tree as it hit the road. Nothing he could have done. He was already doing significantly less than the speed limit, due to heavy rain, in convoy with some other troll bikes. He only saw it at the last minute, it happened so fast. Stab Resistant Body Armour protected him from far worse injuries.

**swbarnett** · 23rd January 2015, 07:14

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Well spotted. I thought you were referring to driver-caused crashes, which make up by far the vast majority of crashes.

To be honest I didn't put up the original post. And, yes, I may actually agree with you that given that the driver caused the crash and no environmental factors were at play the driver probably broke some law or other. At least failing to pay due care and attention.

**FJRider** · 23rd January 2015, 21:27

Originally Posted by swbarnett

To be honest I didn't put up the original post. And, yes, I may actually agree with you that given that the driver caused the crash and no environmental factors were at play the driver probably broke some law or other. At least failing to pay due care and attention.

So ... if a driver crashes on a wet road (no other vehicle involved) ... is it (or not) the drivers fault ... or "Environmental" cause and NOT the drivers fault .. ???

**haydes55** · 23rd January 2015, 21:57

Originally Posted by FJRider

So ... if a driver crashes on a wet road (no other vehicle involved) ... is it (or not) the drivers fault ... or "Environmental" cause and NOT the drivers fault .. ???

The drivers fault.

**FJRider** · 23rd January 2015, 23:03

Originally Posted by haydes55

The drivers fault.

A driver recently crashed in the Kawerau gorge in pissing down rain. Said driver claimed it was not his fault as he was only doing 95 km/hr. (obviously speed was NOT a factor)

**haydes55** · 24th January 2015, 06:00

Originally Posted by FJRider

A driver recently crashed in the Kawerau gorge in pissing down rain. Said driver claimed it was not his fault as he was only doing 95 km/hr. (obviously speed was NOT a factor)

Speed limits were a factor, if the road had no speed limits, the driver wouldn't have been going 95km/h. The driver would go a comfortable speed.

Too fast for the conditions, is too fast for the conditions, regardless of whether you are above or below the number in the circles on the sticks beside the road.

**FJRider** · 24th January 2015, 10:24

Originally Posted by haydes55

Speed limits were a factor, if the road had no speed limits, the driver wouldn't have been going 95km/h. The driver would go a comfortable speed.

Too fast for the conditions, is too fast for the conditions, regardless of whether you are above or below the number in the circles on the sticks beside the road.

You obviously don't know this piece of road then ...