Mark Lundy - miscarriage of justice?

[Paul in NZ]

No they won't, the forensics are a joke apparently and method since discredited.

IF the timeframe was correct then he could have made the trip if he threw all caution to the wind. But he could not have gotten out of the car. That would have required closed roads & a demented Superbike rider.

So if he didn't do it, who did? As Pete sez, not many sane people could do that to a kid, not a burgler.

And that is the hard bit to understand.


Random thought. Cut off your hands P guy could have.

But that's just it - the forensics are wrong and the time of death isn't correct so he could have done it. The problem is that if one thing about the forensic evidence is wrong - is all of it wrong? Everything then hinges on motive and opportunity. Random murders are rare... (thankfully)

[F5 Dave]

But that's just it - the forensics are wrong and the time of death isn't correct so he could have done it.

No idea about the time. Some real clarity there would be a game changer.

The problem is that if one thing about the forensic evidence is wrong - is all of it wrong? Everything then hinges on motive and opportunity.

I was talking about the tissue on shirt.

The thing that scares me is if there was a murderer out there that hadn't been caught. If.

[oldrider]

Yeah and *burglers* don't generally bash little girls heads in with a tomahawk either.

If not Lundy - someone with emotional attachment and motive - may have been surprised by the child but then murdered her to cover themselves!

If not Lundy they were at least familiar with his tool shed and why would they close the place up again if they were a random or drug induced?

My guess is if not Lundy someone close to the family - to kill like that has to be strong and emotionally driven surely! - Interesting case now.

[Flip]

I am following this myself. I have no faith in the media to accurately portray what is being said in court. All the matters is what 12 good people think, and we will know soon enough.

[Banditbandit]

No they won't, the forensics are a joke apparently and method since discredited.

Yeah - quite a bit of the forensics is very bad ... but they won't use all that stuff in the current trial. They know it can be challenged too easily ..

However, they are using the brain and spinal cord material in the current trial ... It's hard to get passed. There's no way it could have got on the shirt unless the shirt was there .. and if the shirt was there then there's a very high chance that Mark Lundy was there too.

[MisterD]

Yeah - quite a bit of the forensics is very bad ... but they won't use all that stuff in the current trial. They know it can be challenged too easily ..

They'll have learnt from the Bain trial how effective it is for the defence to attack forensic evidence from so long ago, that's now impossible to retest and can be painted to a thick jury as if it was always impossible.

My familiarity with the case is really only based on the Bryan Bruce doco, but I remember finding his reasoning convincing, doesn't seem to be on the TVNZ website at the moment though.

[korimako1]

My wifey was called up on jury duty for the trial.

if she made it onto the jury, the judge was quite clear about not using face book, twitter and sites like this.

[korimako1]

Just been over this thread material again - somebody out there must be getting very uncomfortable and I don't mean the Police - if not Lundy - WHO? .

Gunna be interesting I guess!

seems the defence have pointed the finger, and the police have screwed up yet again.

[korimako1]

For those that did not see this program, it's certainly worth a look:http://www.3news.co.nz/Quashed-Why-M...1/Default.aspx

If not Lundy, were the alternative suspects given enough attention by the Police?

from your 2013 quote. obviously not.

[oldrider]

seems the defence have pointed the finger, and the police have screwed up yet again.

So the re-trial has brought you back to the surface - I guess you will be hoping for a different result this time?

[korimako1]

So the re-trial has brought you back to the surface - I guess you will be hoping for a different result this time?

I have been checking in from time to time, I guess we will have to wait and see. I am hoping for a different result, we'll see what happens.
Note that already evidence not heard at the first trial has come out. Christine and Ambers blood found in the boot of her brothers car and at his home. If that had been him on trial the first time it would have been pretty compiling evidence would it not?

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Christine and Ambers blood found in the boot of her brothers car and at his home. If that had been him on trial the first time it would have been pretty compiling evidence would it not?

Why so? He found the dead bodies and checked Ambers pulse. Hardly surprising he had their blood on him no?

[Bassmatt]

Why so? He found the dead bodies and checked Ambers pulse. Hardly surprising he had their blood on him no?

"Christine and Ambers blood found in the boot of her brothers car and at his home. "
He says he didn't go into the bedroom so how did he get Christines blood on him, in the boot of his car and his home?

"When police used the chemical luminol to test his boot, it "glowed like a glowworm", according to Mr Hislop. But Mr Weggery said he was unsure why that was the case" http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11399418

Looks like the cops have fucked up again, to me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

"Christine and Ambers blood found in the boot of her brothers car and at his home. "
He says he didn't go into the bedroom so how did he get Christines blood on him, in the boot of his car and his home?

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At a guess, I'd say Amber had a shitload of her mothers blood on her mate. I mean...when your head is bashed in with over twenty blows form a tomahawk...that shit'll be everywhere no?

[Bassmatt]

At a guess, I'd say Amber had a shitload of her mothers blood on her mate. I mean...when your head is bashed in with over twenty blows form a tomahawk...that shit'll be everywhere no?

Amber was found dead outside the bedroom, she wasn't in the room when the mother was killed.

Doesn't explain (neither can he) the blood in the boot of his car.