T2 Lanes again!

[firefighter]

Awesome work, I have printed this and it shall stay under my pillion seat should I ever need to prove my legality!

Thankyou sir!

[mikeey01]

Well done! You BRONZ folks sure do a lot of work behind the scenes for us all, thank you.

Many members / much happenings in the canterbury region?

[Patrick]

Attached letter posted tonight to NZ Police.

If they ignore it (they probably will) I'll rev them up with the Police Complaints Authority.

Obviously, write and object tot he ticket. All the info you will need is in the letter.

Oh ye of so little faith.....

Good work, by the way. Not a problem we have down in these parts....

[FROSTY:Me]

maybee all KBers commuting need to carry a copy in their wallets -might save a bunch of agro

[samgab]

And, the reply from the polis. VICTORY!

I just wondered about this matter, did a little search, and found this thread... Wow, what a great response, and from a Superintendent, no less, which is about as high in rank as you can get to in the NZ Police without becoming the Commissioner or Dept. or Asst. Commissioner. I've saved and printed a copy just in case this issue should come up, but I don't think it will, given the distribution it was given by said Superintendent.

[rastuscat]

It all raises an interesting point.

Traffic law is incredibly complex. I supervise a group of vastly experienced traffic cops, and even we have debates at times as to the way rules are written, and how they should be applied.

No wonder there's confusion about some issues, sometimes. No cop can know everything, all the time. It's just not possible.

Just sayin.

[Swoop]

Can we have a copy of that, on Police letterhead paper please?

[Scuba_Steve]

It all raises an interesting point.

Traffic law is incredibly complex. I supervise a group of vastly experienced traffic cops, and even we have debates at times as to the way rules are written, and how they should be applied.

No wonder there's confusion about some issues, sometimes. No cop can know everything, all the time. It's just not possible.

Just sayin.

"ignorance is no excuse"

[Ulsterkiwi]

"ignorance is no excuse"

I do not always agree with Scuba Steve but on this he has a very valid point. How often do police officers use that line when the public attempt to defend their actions.
Its all well and good with something clear cut like not shooting people (unless they are stupid of course ) but its a bit disingenuous for an officer to say "ignorance is no excuse" and then when his fellows get called on their ignorance to appear to brush it aside.

You have demonstrated time and again you are not the average cop Rastus but its another very clear example how the organisation cuts a stick to beat its own back.

[rastuscat]

I do not always agree with Scuba Steve but on this he has a very valid point. How often do police officers use that line when the public attempt to defend their actions.
Its all well and good with something clear cut like not shooting people (unless they are stupid of course ) but its a bit disingenuous for an officer to say "ignorance is no excuse" and then when his fellows get called on their ignorance to appear to brush it aside.

You have demonstrated time and again you are not the average cop Rastus but its another very clear example how the organisation cuts a stick to beat its own back.

Entirely agree.

Our job is such that when someone sees the uniform, they think we are an expert in everything. One such example is when I stop a boy racer car. I actually don't bother much with them, as I feel that very few crashes are caused by them, and that a noisy exhaust never killed anyone. Then they start telling me about decibel levels, lean angles, boost levels.......basically, most boy racers know more about their cars than I do.

The 4 wheel drive crowd are another group. They can normally detail the inner working of Bilsteins, which I can't.

I specialize in motorcycle stuff due to the job I have. Lucky me, really. But equally, I don't expect average cops to have the level of knowledge I do.

Some knowledge is general, some is quite specific.

The problem arises when someone thinks they know the rules, when they actually don't. Growling at a motor cyclist for lane splitting is a classic. It's generally done without the knowledge of the technical issues surrounding that. Often motorcyclists know more about the motorcycle-specific rules than the cops enforcing them. This T2 thing is a case in point.

Just sayin.

[Mike.Gayner]

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, a cop on the road side could admit he doesn't know everything? It's all good and well being humble on here, but every wanker cop in the wild likes to think they're the expert, and never want to hear anything about it.

[rastuscat]

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, a rider on the road side could admit he doesn't know everything? It's all good and well being humble on here, but every wanker rider in the wild likes to think they're the expert, and never want to hear anything about it.

Fixed it for ya.

[Mike.Gayner]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

[rastuscat]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

My attitude came out of the Rich Dad Poor Dad philosophy. Unless you can admit to being wrong, you can't learn any better.

I do that quite a bit and I've found it quite refreshing.

It must be tough knowing everything and always being right. I'd far rather just enjoy being human.

[rastuscat]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

Some folk would complain if their arse was on fire and I put it out. It's the nature of the job.