The rules.

[kel]

The riders at the pointy end of the subject were actually good as gold about it.

That's right the good guys don't mind you changing the rules on the fly. Wait for it there must be a "we're not racing for sheep stations" coming.
Actually did you talk to the Adlams before you made you're decision, do you have any idea what they really thought. Andrew placed a post a page or two back , go and read it, or have you made a ruling on that to?
You guys cocked up, would be bloody good if you just stood up and owned it.

[Drew]

Oh yeah, it's 30 minutes ya get to raise a protest at an MNZ event. Not 15. And that's just to get the ball rolling, I doubt you have to have signed the paper work and forked out the $50 deposit.

[NSR143]

Sorry, I can't find the rule. Looks like it goes into suplimentary regs of all events, or perhaps just into riders briefing.

A crashed bike isn't allowed to rejoin the track that is still being raced on, at every event I've been to in the last three years. So unless it crashes into pit lane, it's race over.

I haven't run an event, and a couple folk seem to think I'm attacking the organisers of this one. They are wrong, I just reckon a bit of discussion is a good thing.

It is not a supplementary rule at all events at all. Not at this stage. Always good to provide a reference link to a MNZ rule if quoting one to provide accurate debate.

[Drew]

It is not a supplementary rule at all events at all. Not at this stage. Always good to provide a reference link to a MNZ rule if quoting one to provide accurate debate.

True that.

But the argument falls flat when it was said emphatically at the briefing.

Here's a hypothetical to add some context. Say there's a yellow flag and the rider infront of me slows down for it. I go whoring past on his outside and run over some other fellas head. Is "I didn't see the flag" going to save me from being excluded from the race? No!

[NSR143]

Oh yeah, it's 30 minutes ya get to raise a protest at an MNZ event. Not 15. And that's just to get the ball rolling, I doubt you have to have signed the paper work and forked out the $50 deposit.

The steward was available for at least half an hour after the event and probably closer to 45.

7.1.4 A protest may only be made by a competitor who has competed in a race or competition from which the protest ensues, or that rider’s representative where the rider making the protest is incapacitated by reason of injury

7.1.5 The protest must be submitted to the Steward of the Meeting in writing and accompanied by a fee of $35.00 and must make reference to the relevant rule alleged to have been infringe

[sidecar bob]

That's right the good guys don't mind you changing the rules on the fly. Wait for it there must be a "we're not racing for sheep stations" coming.
Actually did you talk too the Adlams before you made you're decision, do you have any idea what they really thought. Andrew placed a post a page or two back , go and read it, or have you made a ruling on that to?
You guys cocked up, would be bloody good if you just stood up and owned it.

No, youre not racing for sheep stations, get the fuck over yourselves & have some fun. I felt it was a waste of a perfectly good day that I could have spent elsewhere given you guys attitudes.
Good luck with the future of your sport, you will need it.

[NSR143]

True that.

But the argument falls flat when it was said emphatically at the briefing.

Here's a hypothetical to add some context. Say there's a yellow flag and the rider infront of me slows down for it. I go whoring past on his outside and run over some other fellas head. Is "I didn't see the flag" going to save me from being excluded from the race? No!

Unfortunately I have to copy and paste so you can read the situation again:
It seems to me that some are not clearly reading the following:

We were not clear whether the bike's handlebar had touched the ground

No one approached an organizer, steward or riders rep to make a claim the handlebar had hit the ground

There is no MNZ rule in the rulebook stating a downed bike cannot continue

and indeed no rules were changed..

[NSR143]

No, youre not racing for sheep stations, get the fuck over yourselves & have some fun. I felt it was a waste of a perfectly good day that I could have spent elsewhere given you guys attitudes.
Good luck with the future of your sport, you will need it.

It's only a very few that make to ruin our fun. Hopefully they will take up skittles or something in the very near future...

[andrew a]

The riders at the pointy end of the subject were actually good as gold about it.[/QUOTE]

No it was really the wrong call. No official talked to me about it. I don't want to be a bad sport about it but it is the GP.

[NSR143]

That's right the good guys don't mind you changing the rules on the fly. Wait for it there must be a "we're not racing for sheep stations" coming.
Actually did you talk to the Adlams before you made you're decision, do you have any idea what they really thought. Andrew placed a post a page or two back , go and read it, or have you made a ruling on that to?
You guys cocked up, would be bloody good if you just stood up and owned it.

No because they were there when we started discussing the issue and Caleb was congratulating Nathaniel so I suspect if they had issue they might have either mentioned it there or seen the steward directly after to seek options.

[NSR143]

No it was really the wrong call. No official talked to me about it. I don't want to be a bad sport about it but it is the GP.

What do you think we should have done?

And I wish you had come to see me or the steward if Caleb or Yourself wanted to protest.

[Kickaha]

You guys cocked up, would be bloody good if you just stood up and owned it.

Did you or anyone else have time to put in a protest within the alloted time when you realised they "cocked it up" ?

[jasonu]

it's a safety issue that was breached,.

But I just watched the opening round of Moto3 from Qatar where I saw at least 2 fallen riders re enter the race WITHOUT stopping by the pits for a quick check over. Maybe if it is good (safe) enough for them...

[nodrog:Me]

Did you or anyone else have time to put in a protest within the alloted time when you realised they "cocked it up" ?

I was too busy drinking to give a fuck.

[kel]

Did you or anyone else have time to put in a protest within the alloted time when you realised they "cocked it up" ?

I wasn't riding, I could not lodge a protest. And as has already been mentioned (shit I hate it when people jump in with their opinion before they have read earlier posts) The officials stood with Nathanial for the duration of the protest period. We were waiting for some kind of announcement. But there was only ever one outcome as the riders brief was clear plus the black flag had been used in previous years for the same transgression. You don't get to change the rules on the day. This was the bucket GP, it wasn't a club meet. Im clearly the most vocal but there were plenty of people calling this. If you set a rule then it needs to be administered.
It was a really good weekend, as already stated it was well organised and run and its always good to catch up with the south of the Bombay's crowd.
Sorry to have spoilt your fun Steve, just to let you know there are no skittles in my future.
Done.