This cunt got what he deserved!

[Edbear]

But still you fail to produce a link to the FULL story, which makes you full of shit. Josonu never said he had the FULL story and posted a social media article. So I have no issue with him claiming something he has no intention or lo and behold the EVIDENCE to back up his claim.

Nice try at sidestepping ANOTHER issue though Ed.

Quote me saying that I had the full story.

[unstuck]

A bit hard to find sympathy for the "poor man". Especially when you get to read the full story, not just the media sensationalism.

Post2.

[Katman]

Quote me saying that I had the full story.

Seriously Ed, could you be any more stupid?

[PrincessBandit]

Can't be bothered reading entire three pages (busy last day of school holidays.... that should wind up a few).

I am not a gun owner and have never fired a gun in my life (oh, tell a lie - air gun once when I was about 9 in a friends basement before OSH and all that).
But...surely police, at the very least, are trained in firearms use and how to bring down a suspect without always having to kill them?? Ok I realise that not everyone with a gun license, or trained policeman, or even soldier, is a finely honed sharpshooting sniper but if you're going to fire a weapon without intending to kill someone then surely there are ways you are taught to do that non-lethally?

Yeah yeah moving target'n'all but do these people get their gun license from a weetbix packet (must be a weetbix box 'cos that's where so many kiwi driver seem to find their...)

[scumdog]

But...surely police, at the very least, are trained in firearms use and how to bring down a suspect without always having to kill them??....if you're going to fire a weapon without intending to kill someone then surely there are ways you are taught to do that non-lethally?

Sorry but

[scumdog]

Fuck me this from the cunt that wrote the book titled "Lifes a conspiracy".

Oh the ironing...

[scumdog]

ehm, the pupil has to want to learn though....just sayin...

And I guess if said pupil has sussed out the intending teacher is a grade A dingbat he might just not want to learn...jus' sayin' an' all...

[Katman]

Oh the ironing...

Except there's a little bit of a difference between asking questions about things that don't quite stack up and just inventing shit.

But then, I probably shouldn't expect you to be able to see that subtle difference.

[scumdog]

You assumed you could contain an armed man. I pointed out he could have walked into the next house and now its a hostage situation. Possible outcomes if the situation continued include innocent lives lost.

Then there's always the scenario the armed idiot is heading of to do the murder-suicide thing nearby - and using the threat of suicide to keep the cops at bay until he's shot the person he's after....

But the Katmans of the world would know that would never happen.

(Assuming they even considered that possibility....)

[unstuck]

Then there's always the scenario the armed idiot is heading of to do the murder-suicide thing nearby - and using the threat of suicide to keep the cops at bay until he's shot the person he's after....

But the Katmans of the world would know that would never happen.

(Assuming they even considered that possibility....)

I suppose we will never know thanks to the officer OVERREACTING.

[Katman]

Then there's always the scenario the armed idiot is heading of to do the murder-suicide thing nearby - and using the threat of suicide to keep the cops at bay until he's shot the person he's after....

But the Katmans of the world would know that would never happen.

(Assuming they even considered that possibility....)

I've already covered that in post #58.

Do try and keep up.

[Maha]

Fuck me this from the cunt that wrote the book titled "Lifes a conspiracy".

Not only that he is one, he also has one.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Can't be bothered reading entire three pages (busy last day of school holidays.... that should wind up a few).

I am not a gun owner and have never fired a gun in my life (oh, tell a lie - air gun once when I was about 9 in a friends basement before OSH and all that).
But...surely police, at the very least, are trained in firearms use and how to bring down a suspect without always having to kill them?? Ok I realise that not everyone with a gun license, or trained policeman, or even soldier, is a finely honed sharpshooting sniper but if you're going to fire a weapon without intending to kill someone then surely there are ways you are taught to do that non-lethally?

Yeah yeah moving target'n'all but do these people get their gun license from a weetbix packet (must be a weetbix box 'cos that's where so many kiwi driver seem to find their...)

I think what Scummy is trying to say PB is that once a decision has been made to discharge a firearm the situation has escalated to the point where you have no choice but to take down the person you are firing at. Shooting to wound is for the movies, most people who carry firearms as part of their job will not have the skill set to do that in the heat of the moment and probably not on the target range either.
The problem with the recent killing in the US was that the officer claimed he fired because his life was at risk and the video evidence shows that clearly was not the case.
He fired eight times, I seriously doubt that eight rounds hit the man who was killed. The video shows the distance that separated the police officer and the fleeing man was not that big, it still took eight shots to bring the man down. The police officer was clearly not a great marksman but probably just as good as any.

Assault by police vehicle may yet become a new offence. The bit I dont understand is the radio traffic clearly had someone saying "back off back off" and the police officer who did the ramming overtook another police car to do so. Its looks bad and hard to defend whatever way you look at it.

[TheDemonLord]

I am not a gun owner and have never fired a gun in my life (oh, tell a lie - air gun once when I was about 9 in a friends basement before OSH and all that).
But...surely police, at the very least, are trained in firearms use and how to bring down a suspect without always having to kill them?? Ok I realise that not everyone with a gun license, or trained policeman, or even soldier, is a finely honed sharpshooting sniper but if you're going to fire a weapon without intending to kill someone then surely there are ways you are taught to do that non-lethally?

Yeah yeah moving target'n'all but do these people get their gun license from a weetbix packet (must be a weetbix box 'cos that's where so many kiwi driver seem to find their...)

Once you are at the point of using Deadly force, its just that - Deadly - Wounded people can shoot back. Less-than-Lethal force (Tasers, Beanbag rounds etc.) are designed to incapacitate (which is a different principle than wounding) the problem is that they don't always work.

As for the Gun licences - America's 5th Amendment right is what allows just about anyone from getting a Gun Licence in the US, and the large amount of Firearms in circulation means that those without a licence don't exactly have much issue with getting a Firearm.

[scumdog]

I've already covered that in post #58.

Do try and keep up.

You call this 'covering it'?

"Here's an idea....

They head him off (they were in cars after all and he was on foot) and get to a place where they can say "drop the gun or we'll shoot". "


Yeah, that'll work with somebody threatening suicide..

Well here's another idea: You've no fucking idea.