Fuck off moron.Originally Posted by TheDemonLord
Forum whore
Fuck off moron.
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Clearly, he hasn't heard the full story eitherFrom another source......Former US Secret Service agent Dan Bongino told CNN that the suspect had to be stopped but not with a vehicle running into him.
"I have to question this tactic a bit," he said. "I think setting up a secure perimeter and at least making some attempt to negotiate may have been far more efficient."
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Hostile response, Defensive and ad-hominems.
Yep.
I'm right.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Hardcore Punk
Keep me out of your little argument.
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.Keep an open mind, just dont let your brains fall out.
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I think your reducto ad-absurdium was a bit absurd. Trying all options clearly means trying all options to prevent the suspect from seriously harming anyone.
In that video, there were still options available.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
NEDWN VIII
On this occasion, the word 'all' changes the very meaning of what Steve said ''It's justified when other means of resolution have been exhausted''.
The way he puts it does not include ALL means/options. ''Other means'' clearly instills that he believes that if ie: shouting (other means) fails then shooting is permissible.
Hardcore Punk
In an alternative universe there is another possibility...........The guy robs a gun off walmart intending to top himself, goes for a tootle down the street, cops tell him to put the gun down and he is thinking, fuck that, I want to find a nice quiet place to shoot myself, gun goes off accidentally while strolling along, when from out of nowhere comes rambo cop and runs his ass over.
Everyone is shocked and worried about actions of rambo cop, so the powers that be, wether local or national, decide there has been too much bad publicity from cops getting a little out of hand lately so come to the conclusion that they better make this one look justified and decide to pin all these other crimes on the would be mass murderer. Investigate rambo cop, internally of course. And cook up this story to feed to the biggest lying media outlet in the world CNN, and hope it all goes away.
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Which is entirely the point of the arguement
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Rocket Surgeon
So where's the full story.
Ciao Marco
Forum whore
Excellent well thought out comeback...
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Not if it were based on an absurd premise; ie, the goal being to stop him instead of stop him from doing harm.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Forum whore
Yes they could gave shot him.
Hardcore Punk
He must have meant the CNN one, because they do not do sensationalist media.
That seems to be the only source who have been fed any information.
Maybe Jasonu can find some more local court news that shows that he has been found guilty of these other crimes?
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
From this perspective then, how do we determine at what point the other means criteria has been satisfied?
Since it is the only metric Katman uses, it has no relation to immediate threat to people/property or any other factor.
The point that I am labelling here is that sometimes a situation develops in such a way that the police do not have an option to try other means first and so the answer given is both simplistic and unrealistic.
I will grant that trying other means should always be preferred whilst acknowledging that there are times where the situation is such that they cannot be tried first.
If we for the sake of argument adopt this position - then the question becomes what factors do we use to determine if other means can and should be tried first.
Given from the video we see:
An armed offender, Acting erratically, ignoring police, in the vicinity of the general public, showing complete disregard for all firearm safety rules.
I put forward that the above is grounds enough to forgo other means.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Forum whore
Couldn't find any local court news. Chances are it is too soon to expect a result from the courts plus I am not sure how much of that stuff is released in AZ.
http://tbo.com/ap/experts-say-ariz-o...pect-20150415/
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