Querying a speed ticket - should I expect to receive proof of the radar reading?

[Erelyes]

An apology will do

I'm sorry that your parents didn't teach you to face up to the consequences of your actions. Or teach you anything whatever about how our legal system works. Or, that if you asked a question to which you didn't want to hear the answer, you shouldn't have asked.

[TheDemonLord]

Usually that turn of phrase (slippery slope) means changing something is a bad idea (i.e. what you're suggesting), rather than keeping the status quo.....

Agreed - Some would say that the way Fines are handles atm means we are already on a slippery slope.

Honestly, where are the Lesbians?

You've been here the whole time


FWIW - without referencing the actual details of the OP's issue:

Anytime the Police make a claim that an offence has occured, it is reasonable to expect objective proof to accompany that claim. If the proof has been lost, not logged correctly or for any other reason is unable to be verified/peer reviewed - then the claim MUST be dismissed. An Officer's word is not objective proof and should never be treated as such - it should always be backed up by evidence.

Some say that this would slow down the justice system or that it is impractical to implement - I say that with our current levels of technology it is easily implemented - The cynic in me suggests that the reluctance in moving towards this is: with increased visibility, the police officer will no longer be able to get away with certain behaviours, certain behaviours that they have become accustomed to getting away with, that benefit the NZ police, but not the NZ public.

[pritch]

irregardless

i put a bong down somewhere around here... i'm sure.

Hi Akzle, when you find the bong and light it up and want something to think about you might contemplate the fact that there is no such word as "irregardless"?

The word is regardless.

[Maha]

Hi Akzle, when you find the bong and light it up and want something to think about you might contemplate the fact that there is no such word as "irregardless"?

The word is regardless.

How irreverent of you to point this out of his normal irrelevant posts.

[Big Dog]

Agreed - Some would say that the way Fines are handles atm means we are already on a slippery slope.



You've been here the whole time


FWIW - without referencing the actual details of the OP's issue:

Anytime the Police make a claim that an offence has occured, it is reasonable to expect objective proof to accompany that claim. If the proof has been lost, not logged correctly or for any other reason is unable to be verified/peer reviewed - then the claim MUST be dismissed. An Officer's word is not objective proof and should never be treated as such - it should always be backed up by evidence.

Some say that this would slow down the justice system or that it is impractical to implement - I say that with our current levels of technology it is easily implemented - The cynic in me suggests that the reluctance in moving towards this is: with increased visibility, the police officer will no longer be able to get away with certain behaviours, certain behaviours that they have become accustomed to getting away with, that benefit the NZ police, but not the NZ public.

FWIW: if the police did in fact implement all possible technical advances we would also never get any leniency.
Due to the amount of logging that goes on it is almost impossible to get away without a ticket once the lights go on.
Not that long ago it was more common to get a dressing down from someone who would have fit right in as a drill Sargent on Full Metal Jacket than a ticket.

Now that it is all measurable and logged to a degree we have terms like KPI and quota waved about.
Take that level to google style logging and footprinting and it won't be long till the fart tax is real and bikers pay more.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Akzle]

Hi Akzle, when you find the bong and light it up and want something to think about you might contemplate the fact that there is no such word as "irregardless"?

The word is regardless.

irregardless, steve, of your position on the english language and its abuses, your knowledge of pop culture is shit.

[pritch]

your knowledge of pop culture is shit.

Thank you, that's probably as it should be really. And you may have just invented a new oxymoron, "pop culture"?

[FJRider]

I dont need to claim i am innocent because no evidence has been produced that i am guilty of an offence. This is not a religious state we are not born sinners

You were accused of a Traffic Infringement of the Land Transport Act. Which is not even a Traffic Offense (which is a little more serious).

NO criminal activity is involved ... nor is there any accusation of such.

If you want to talk religion ... try a different forum. It has been done on this site though ...

It an attempt to reduce court time for Traffic Infringements ... the Government came up with a simple system ... If you get accused of a traffic infringement, you will be (usually) issued with a traffic infringement notice (the ticket) Should you pay the fine required ... it is an admission of guilt. Ignore the ticket and the case will be heard (even in your absence). If you wish to fight the allegation ... you may do that (good luck with that). All options you have are on the back of the ticket you were issued (by mail) ...

[Akzle]

All options you have are on the back of the ticket you were issued (by mail) ...

yeah. all.

like ALL your rights are the right to remain silent and to consult a lawyer.

do you stand under that??

[FJRider]

yeah. all.

like ALL your rights are the right to remain silent and to consult a lawyer.

do you stand under that??

We still are waiting for YOU TO REMAIN SILENT.


And ...


HE consulted US ... who is the fool here ...

[russd7]

From the Coromandel/Tauranga exit 477 to almost the Ngatea turn-off is mostly 90kphr zone now.

and in the couple of times last year that i travelled that road i got stuck in a line of traffic doing 60km/hr behind a bloody shopping trolly, unfortunately i was in a rental.

[Akzle]

and in the couple of times last year that i travelled that road i got stuck in a line of traffic doing 60km/hr behind a bloody shopping trolly, unfortunately i was in a rental.

fuken tourists.

[russd7]

fuken tourists.

oooii i was B o P born an raised, place has really gone to the pack since i left tho.

[TheDemonLord]

FWIW: if the police did in fact implement all possible technical advances we would also never get any leniency.
Due to the amount of logging that goes on it is almost impossible to get away without a ticket once the lights go on.
Not that long ago it was more common to get a dressing down from someone who would have fit right in as a drill Sargent on Full Metal Jacket than a ticket.

Now that it is all measurable and logged to a degree we have terms like KPI and quota waved about.
Take that level to google style logging and footprinting and it won't be long till the fart tax is real and bikers pay more.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Interesting notion - and I tend to agree that leniency would be diminished - although I believe for some offences compliance can be issued instead of an infringement. The question is would you rather diminished leniancy but knowing that each ticket was properly logged with appropriate evidence, or a larger grey area where leniancy is increased but the possibility of abuse is also increased.

I would prefer the latter

[Ender EnZed]

Interesting notion - and I tend to agree that leniency would be diminished - although I believe for some offences compliance can be issued instead of an infringement. The question is would you rather diminished leniancy but knowing that each ticket was properly logged with appropriate evidence, or a larger grey area where leniancy is increased but the possibility of abuse is also increased.

I would prefer the latter

Definitely the grey area.

Also, did you mean former? Because that's what you've been arguing for.