When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[Flip]

So is shooting themin the chest.

[mossy1200]

So is shooting themin the chest.

I wonder what effect it has on the amount of drugs being trafficked with the death penalty in place? Everyone knows the potential punishment but it doesn't prevent all people trying obviously.

[husaberg]

I wonder what effect it has on the amount of drugs being trafficked with the death penalty in place? Everyone knows the potential punishment but it doesn't prevent all people trying obviously.

Yes but I wonder how does it stack up against those that don't have the same hard-line approach?

[oldrider]

"Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone."

True enough - but it would more likely be - let he who can successfully raise a mortgage to procure a stone - be the first to cast one! -

[Gadget1]

Hypothetically, we are talking about serial killers, rapists, pedophiles here. Just wondering how nice of a person they would be towards their family.

The post you're commenting on here is about the family of someone who is murdered ie: The victim, not the murderer.

[Virago]

So is shooting themin the chest.

Just had an interesting discussion on this at a family gathering this evening. Many decried the firing squad method as barbaric.

But why so? It would be a relatively instant death. Is it just the sheer messiness of the process that offends our delicate western sensibilities?

The nice "clean" American methods of electric chair or lethal injection conjure images of a nice non-messy process to comfort us. But both these methods have occasionally gone wrong over the years.

[PrincessBandit]

Just had an interesting discussion on this at a family gathering this evening. Many decried the firing squad method as barbaric.

But why so? It would be a relatively instant death. Is it just the sheer messiness of the process that offends our delicate western sensibilities?

The nice "clean" American methods of electric chair or lethal injection conjure images of a nice non-messy process to comfort us. But both these methods have occasionally gone wrong over the years.

I looked up death by firing squad online the other night, assuming it was instant death (assuming the marksmen are accurate). Turns out that the heart is ruined but it can still take up to two minutes to die although the blood loss renders you unconscious apparently.

Things can still go wrong and if the execution itself fails then it's a bullet behind the ear.
I suppose a couple of minutes goes quickly enough compared to other execution methods but it is not without potential problems.

[Katman]

I heard on the news tonight that it was the Australian police that tipped of the Indonesians that these guys were smuggling the drugs out of Indonesia.

Makes me wonder why they didn't just arrest them once they landed in back Australia.

In a sense, it was the Australian police that signed their death warrants.

[mossy1200]

I looked up death by firing squad online the other night, assuming it was instant death (assuming the marksmen are accurate). Turns out that the heart is ruined but it can still take up to two minutes to die although the blood loss renders you unconscious apparently.

Things can still go wrong and if the execution itself fails then it's a bullet behind the ear.
I suppose a couple of minutes goes quickly enough compared to other execution methods but it is not without potential problems.

Everyone dies at some point and a lot of nicer people die terribly.
Worse than the 2 minutes would be the knowing its coming a long time out from when it does.

[Virago]

I looked up death by firing squad online the other night, assuming it was instant death (assuming the marksmen are accurate). Turns out that the heart is ruined but it can still take up to two minutes to die although the blood loss renders you unconscious apparently.

Things can still go wrong and if the execution itself fails then it's a bullet behind the ear.
I suppose a couple of minutes goes quickly enough compared to other execution methods but it is not without potential problems.

Attempting to eliminate (or limit) suffering is the key issue.

I reckon the French had it sussed back in the day. Decapitation by guillotine - accurate and instant.

Edit - just being doing some reading up on such beheading - perhaps not so instant...

[oldrider]

Attempting to eliminate (or limit) suffering is the key issue.

The dead don't suffer very long - compared to the living loved ones - they are the real victims - same for the victims of those afflicted by the drugs they peddled!

[husaberg]

Attempting to eliminate (or limit) suffering is the key issue.

I reckon the French had it sussed back in the day. Decapitation by guillotine - accurate and instant.

The Germans perfected the French model and included a little basket to catch the head.

[madbikeboy]

so it's just for murder that you're advocating the state sanctioned murder/death penalty?

and as a matter of "the greater good":
would you take a knife to a schoolbus full of kids, say 30, to save another schoolbus full of kids, say 31, that i promise i will kill if you don't?
is that one childs life worth it to you? surely, just crunching the numbers, you'd be acting in the greater good (and don't try stabbing me, that shit's not an option)

and just to go back and extrapolate on point 1. today it's murder that illegal and punishable by death, hell throw in some drug dealing, prostitution, whatever the fuck, things you agree with that are "socially unacceptable"..

and tomorrow they add in speeding. punishable by death... ok, the greater good? still happy?
maybe then they add motorcycle riding, just because that's rebellious and against the greater good of the state/people... still ok, to murder people?

fucken come next tuesday, they're added being a gypsy, jew, polish, brown haired, twins....

Wow, did you strain anything while performing that massive leap of flawed thinking? If it were up to me, the death penalty would be applied to drunk drivers, anyone who thinks that country music is a good idea, and the bitch I took to my high school prom. You'd be up against the wall in about the third tranche simply because you're making plants work overtime to produce oxygen, and one day those plants might be running near full throttle and I'd hate to think intelligent good people may be robbed of the air they deserve while you're still sucking oxygen.

Now, if you want to keep twisting arguments to prove what a moron you are, suggest you join Cassina in her personal hell.

[madbikeboy]

I looked up death by firing squad online the other night, assuming it was instant death (assuming the marksmen are accurate). Turns out that the heart is ruined but it can still take up to two minutes to die although the blood loss renders you unconscious apparently.

Things can still go wrong and if the execution itself fails then it's a bullet behind the ear.
I suppose a couple of minutes goes quickly enough compared to other execution methods but it is not without potential problems.

These guys were shipping heroine. Have you ever seen someone you care about shoot up heroine through their eyeballs? I have. Take a wander through some back streets in most cities in the world, and see the young women who fuck and suck for small change to support the next hit. The amount of misery that the poor drug dealers bring is massive, they destroy families, lives - and we're supposed to give a damn about the consequence for them?

Poor drug dealers, suffering for two minutes.

PB, sorry to rant, this isn't directed at you.

[Madness]

heroine. I have.

You'd think you could spell the shit correctly, huh?