Compulsory ABS

[mossy1200]

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...016/21856.html

ABS European laws for 2016. Wont be long before its law everywhere.

Maybe some cheap sell out models being sold soon in countries not included to get the stock gone.

[jellywrestler]

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...016/21856.html

ABS European laws for 2016. Wont be long before its law everywhere.

Maybe some cheap sell out models being sold soon in countries not included to get the stock gone.

on the flip side abs will be priced cheaper, right now it's an extra so they gouge the price a bit more...

[mossy1200]

Not sure about cruisers/customs. Do many have abs yet?

[Gremlin]

Not sure about cruisers/customs. Do many have abs yet?

I would say quite a few do, including Harleys.

My biggest concern is the last I heard, they wanted mandatory full time ABS, ie, non-switchable. Many with ABS you can control the level of intervention, which is needed in some situations...

It may also see the death of some models in those markets, ie, I don't know if the likes of KLR, DR etc mid range adventure bikes with a long model history, have ABS...

[Ocean1]

It may also see the death of some models in those markets, ie, I don't know if the likes of KLR, DR etc mid range adventure bikes with a long model history, have ABS...

Maybe not quite dead. But it would make any genuine dual purpose machine a bunch less effective off road. And they still can't claim to stop a bike quicker on the road than one without abs for an experienced rider, so any such law would be a reall ass.

[AllanB]

It may also see the death of some models in those markets, ie, I don't know if the likes of KLR, DR etc mid range adventure bikes with a long model history, have ABS...

It would be short sighted if so - think of those bikes - the design, development and tooling set-ups were paid in full ages OK - to add ABS? bit of brake fluff from a existing model and a computer to suit. Cost should be F-all and the marketing knobs can sell it as the 2016 model :-)

[MarkH]

I would say quite a few do, including Harleys.

My biggest concern is the last I heard, they wanted mandatory full time ABS, ie, non-switchable. Many with ABS you can control the level of intervention, which is needed in some situations...

It may also see the death of some models in those markets, ie, I don't know if the likes of KLR, DR etc mid range adventure bikes with a long model history, have ABS...

Non-switchable would be moronic for dual sport or off-road bikes, you really want to be able to disable the ABS on the loose stuff. I think that the KTM 690 has switchable ABS that can be on for both wheels, on for front only or completely off.

[MarkH]

And they still can't claim to stop a bike quicker on the road than one without abs for an experienced rider

That's not my understanding. Can you back that up?
Exactly how many times per second can YOU check the rotation speed of both the front and the back wheel to maintain perfect threshold braking?

Maybe check this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO...eature=related
or this one: http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ckBraking.aspx

[Ocean1]

That's not my understanding. Can you back that up?
Exactly how many times per second can YOU check the rotation speed of both the front and the back wheel to maintain perfect threshold braking?

Maybe check this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO...eature=related
or this one: http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ckBraking.aspx

Yup, in a dead straight line on clean hot mix I can beat the latest Bosch system on the 1290. Just. Which annoys the fuck out of a friend of mine who had a bit to do with developing it.

Would I beat it mid corner on a variable surface? Probably not, which is why it stays on, albeit in save-my-arse mode.

[mossy1200]

Yup, in a dead straight line on clean hot mix I can beat the latest Bosch system on the 1290. Just. Which annoys the fuck out of a friend of mine who had a bit to do with developing it.

Would I beat it mid corner on a variable surface? Probably not, which is why it stays on, albeit in save-my-arse mode.

Add some panic in an emergency situation and my monies on ABS.

[Ocean1]

Add some panic in an emergency situation and my monies on ABS.

Possibly. Although the whole purpose of practicing this shit is to teach the dude that actually does the important stuff how it's done: your sub-conscious. And once he's properly trained he's less inclined to panic than the coach is.

And while I'm not about to indulge in any live ammo training involving Kenworths just to prove the point I can point to plenty of authorities on how such shit works to be comfortable with it.

[RDJ]

Add some panic in an emergency situation and my monies on ABS.

From what I have read, this is absolutely correct. A prepared experienced rider can often match or exceed ABS performance levels; but an unprepared less-experienced rider never does as well as an ABS system. In a panic stop. I don't think I could match ABS performance in an emergency.

If I could retrofit ABS to my various bikes, I would. But I can't so I won't.

Maybe if there is an aftermarket solution developed that can be universally fitted? because then I would certainly reconsider.

[50Shades]

As we are such a small market, we wont really get much say in the matter. WE will get all of the run out models next year depending on EU regulations on the roll out of this. I'm thinking as a computer based system there will be after market mods to turn it off etc, not sure how the insurance companies will view this if it was off after an accident.

[Latte]

Better start developing and patenting a switchable ABS bypass system that's universal.

[mossy1200]

If you own a dirty bike and don't pay acc tax should you even get a vote? Baaaahahhhha Anti fun for everyone. Wheelie control will be the next thing and traction control for cars to stop boy racers. Someone will put speed restrictors on to stop you doing over 300 also.