My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

Sorry my comments are in brackets . . Phone . multi quote . . .yeah right

Isis is a bad muslim terrorist group . .
So in this case you are right
How ever
Refeering to the apples the damn things are on the plane . . . . That is the truth . . Unless they are not apples and its a cia plot .
.which would be more entertaining

The govt votes on issues with citizen input, if big oil or whatever buy 80/120 polliticians, they still can't push through a dig up nature reserve because the citizens all vote not to. Corruption becomes much more difficult.

Posting nonsense or otherwise very ambiguous stuff does not exercise my grey matter as I either ignore it or question what you mean.

Apples on a plane is export/import. Obviously export/import is done with foodstuff all over the world every day. You told a story of how the same apples came back after just being washed and waxed; that is what I have not seen any factual basis of.

[Brian d marge]

The govt votes on issues with citizen input, if big oil or whatever buy 80/120 polliticians, they still can't push through a dig up nature reserve because the citizens all vote not to. Corruption becomes much more difficult.

Posting nonsense or otherwise very ambiguous stuff does not exercise my grey matter as I either ignore it or question what you mean.

Apples on a plane is export/import. Obviously export/import is done with foodstuff all over the world every day. You told a story of how the same apples came back after just being washed and waxed; that is what I have not seen any factual basis of.

Not sure you thought this through

As what you have described is exactly what is happening in nz . . And without the money

Thats fine about ignoring posts . . But please dont complain if you dont understand

But it would expand your horizons . .

Long time ago someone commented about enoch powells . Doozey of a speach back in the day . . Mensioned that he had quoted virgil Aeanid （spelling sorry)
A quick search and download showed me is was . . .urm yes well
But that was concidered an average to above average level of reading

Animal farm is a interesting read . .book is better than the movie

[bogan]

Not sure you thought this through

As what you have described is exactly what is happening in nz . . And without the money

Thats fine about ignoring posts . . But please dont complain if you dont understand

But it would expand your horizons . .

Long time ago someone commented about enoch powells . Doozey of a speach back in the day . . Mensioned that he had quoted virgil Aeanid （spelling sorry)
A quick search and download showed me is was . . .urm yes well
But that was concidered an average to above average level of reading

Animal farm is a interesting read . .book is better than the movie

It is not happening in NZ, just look at how the referendums are ignored.

Likewise you cannot complain about anyone's inability to read what you want to say from your posts if you do not post specifically what you want to say.

You told a story of how the same apples came back after just being washed and waxed; that is what I have not seen any factual basis of.

[mashman]

It entails the removal of money, and dispersal of good/services to citizens as they determine their needs to be. The citizens also determine whether and how assets are claimed from individuals who are not using them.

It is not blackmail because there is no coercion, banks offered the service, and the people chose to take it. They were free to refuse it.

Yet the comparison you would make, is not one I would share, or others of society would share; I'd be adamant my efforts were equal to my acquisitions. Who are you to tell me different?

To do what with? Printed currency has no value in a moneyless society, the value of hammers is irrelevant when citizens can take them at will. How will you determine who is an economic terrorist and who is just having a holiday? Why would canceling a credit card do anything when the society does not use money anyway? (I'm talking about a holiday within NZ here).

Dispersal? Claimed? Anyway, who better than the citizens to decide?

They were free to refuse it.

You can be as adamant as you like. If you are in the minority, tough shit. Maybe you'll grow to realise that people will be grateful for what you are doing for them without measuring what it is that you do, even though they don't know you. Please yourself how you view the rest of society.

You seem to be forgetting the outside world and the need to measure persons activity in order to meet the financial target that the market has set for that year. Also a great way to find cunts and potentially not serve them. Apply restorative justice, turn the card back on. It could be similar to whatserfaces scheme for allowing only certain things to be "purchased" with it. Stop being such a lazy cunt and start figuring things out for yourself

[Brian d marge]

It is not happening in NZ, just look at how the referendums are ignored.

Likewise you cannot complain about anyone's inability to read what you want to say from your posts if you do not post specifically what you want to say.

You told a story of how the same apples came back after just being washed and waxed; that is what I have not seen any factual basis of.

We are talking same thing here pollys just ignore

Sheer lazyness to google or ask questions followed some choice words
Yes i have a right

See above about the apples

[bogan]

Dispersal? Claimed? Anyway, who better than the citizens to decide?

They were free to refuse it.

You can be as adamant as you like. If you are in the minority, tough shit. Maybe you'll grow to realise that people will be grateful for what you are doing for them without measuring what it is that you do, even though they don't know you. Please yourself how you view the rest of society.

You seem to be forgetting the outside world and the need to measure persons activity in order to meet the financial target that the market has set for that year. Also a great way to find cunts and potentially not serve them. Apply restorative justice, turn the card back on. It could be similar to whatserfaces scheme for allowing only certain things to be "purchased" with it. Stop being such a lazy cunt and start figuring things out for yourself

Those who do the work, own it, and those who own the work, decide how it is dispersed.

Exactly.

How is being in the minority tough shit, will there be penalties if the majority think I am taking more than I give? Without measuring is what I said earlier, because there is no yardstick to measure again.

The outside world sets the value of both the currency, and goods it trades with the moneyless society. Printing money and revaluing hammers will not allow the society to meet any financial targets. Finding cunts is only possible if you have that yardstick to measure against, do you need to introduce a numerical system to give points to each product/job by mass consensus? What card is there to turn off/on? I have figured things out for myself.

We are talking same thing here pollys just ignore

Sheer lazyness to google or ask questions followed some choice words
Yes i have a right

See above about the apples

That is the change I would make, legislate/mandate it so it is public opinion that is binding, not the polly's.

Sheer lazyness to post with such great ambiguity too. It is also inefficient, there is one speaker but many listeners.

Have you not googled it then? I have and found no factual basis for it. You maintain there is one, so I think it is time to back yourself up and show it.

[Brian d marge]

Those who do the work, own it, and those who own the work, decide how it is dispersed.

Exactly.

How is being in the minority tough shit, will there be penalties if the majority think I am taking more than I give? Without measuring is what I said earlier, because there is no yardstick to measure again.

The outside world sets the value of both the currency, and goods it trades with the moneyless society. Printing money and revaluing hammers will not allow the society to meet any financial targets. Finding cunts is only possible if you have that yardstick to measure against, do you need to introduce a numerical system to give points to each product/job by mass consensus? What card is there to turn off/on? I have figured things out for myself.



That is the change I would make, legislate/mandate it so it is public opinion that is binding, not the polly's.

Sheer lazyness to post with such great ambiguity too. It is also inefficient, there is one speaker but many listeners.

Have you not googled it then? I have and found no factual basis for it. You maintain there is one, so I think it is time to back yourself up and show it.

Big companies are the general public in fact some heavy weights are forcing successive government to jump through so awful hoops , . . .hint . ,water electricity . .etc

Point 2

There were many who understood unlike tvnz im not replying to the lowest common denominator . .,I cant
So as i said email or ignore

P3

You didnt google it otherwise you would have found the same link i found
The link from the telegraph and the other link all about the stupidity of food miles giving the apples as an example

You did type in apples waxed south africa

[bogan]

Big companies are the general public in fact some heavy weights are forcing successive government to jump through so awful hoops , . . .hint . ,water electricity . .etc

Point 2

There were many who understood unlike tvnz im not replying to the lowest common denominator . .,I cant
So as i said email or ignore

P3

You didnt google it otherwise you would have found the same link i found
The link from the telegraph and the other link all about the stupidity of food miles giving the apples as an example

You did type in apples waxed south africa

No, citizens are the general public, and each citizen would be assigned a vote.

There were many who didn't too. Often the one you are conversing with doesn't.
As I said, it is inefficient not to communicate effectively.

Provide me the link then. Any I could find simply reiterate the story you told, there are no details about who the exporter/importer is, volumes, etc.

[mashman]

Those who do the work, own it, and those who own the work, decide how it is dispersed.

Exactly.

How is being in the minority tough shit, will there be penalties if the majority think I am taking more than I give? Without measuring is what I said earlier, because there is no yardstick to measure again.

The outside world sets the value of both the currency, and goods it trades with the moneyless society. Printing money and revaluing hammers will not allow the society to meet any financial targets. Finding cunts is only possible if you have that yardstick to measure against, do you need to introduce a numerical system to give points to each product/job by mass consensus? What card is there to turn off/on? I have figured things out for myself.

The work is done to be given away. It is dispersed because we have made a conscious effort to find out what and where it is needed. The logistics of social responsibility like.

Total cunt of a decision to have people making in the first place.

If you don't intend to take the piss, then I fail to see why there will be any problem? If you intend to take the piss, then you're no different to the guy who "swindles" the financial system (social welfare, fraud etc...). They go to jail... unless they're really rich and can afford to pay a large fine.

Sure, continue with the outside world valuing the currency and the price of imports and exports. The inside world values those imports and exports as it sees fit. Some computer programme can manage floating price resources. Finding cunts is only possible with a yardstick. Moral law should be enough. Difficult to prove mebee, but then again so are a lot of things. The card is to measure where, when and how resources are being used, so that the logistics can be put into place to cater for any probable need that the report shows and in order to mitigate the situation where the actual need arises for some form of service and the service isn't ready to cater for it. In laymans terms, done to a budget.

[bogan]

The work is done to be given away. It is dispersed because we have made a conscious effort to find out what and where it is needed. The logistics of social responsibility like.

Total cunt of a decision to have people making in the first place.

If you don't intend to take the piss, then I fail to see why there will be any problem? If you intend to take the piss, then you're no different to the guy who "swindles" the financial system. They go to jail... unless they're really rich and can afford to pay a large fine.

Sure, continue with the outside world valuing the currency and the price of imports and exports. The inside world values those imports and exports as it sees fit. Some computer programme can manage floating price resources. Finding cunts is only possible with a yardstick. Moral law should be enough. Difficult to prove mebee, but then again so are a lot of things. The card is to measure where, when and how resources are being used, so that the logistics can be put into place to cater for the probable need that the report shows in order to mitigate the situation where the actual need arises for some form of service and the service isn't ready to cater for it. In laymans terms, done to a budget.

I understand that, I was pointing out the other way to do it, one with a strong link between work/reward.

No argument there.

How do you determine intent?

So there is both a yardstick on how much a resource is worth, and a record of who uses what; a budget. A budget by mass consensus, where the consensus decides what goods are worth, but also what jobs 'pay'. I can understand that, though it is different from the 'everyone's entitlement is equal' ideal I had thought you were advocating previously. And how does the system deal with supply and demand for jobs?

I still do not understand how the computer manages floating price resources, the consensus determines the internal price, while the world markets determine the external price, what does the computer do?

[Ocean1]

Well they're not bleating about it, they're bleating about how your stupid system works.

Can't compete? They're supporting them people you fucknuckle. Without them they'd have to fly in food and accommodation too Mr myopia strikes again.

Same old solution giving rise to all too familiar outcomes.

It's not my system. And no they're not, not a single word about "the system". They're bleating because local industry has found better workers.

The fuck they're supporting them, most of the imports are lodged and fed by the company. What they do get from the locals they pay plenty for, which is more like the out of towners supporting the locals, innit?

And yes, the outcome is the only one that works: provide value for money or your clients will find someone else that does.

[Brian d marge]

No, citizens are the general public, and each citizen would be assigned a vote.

There were many who didn't too. Often the one you are conversing with doesn't.
As I said, it is inefficient not to communicate effectively.

Provide me the link then. Any I could find simply reiterate the story you told, there are no details about who the exporter/importer is, volumes, etc.

Citizens work for big companies
Many leaders have said how easy it is to get people to vote a certain way

P2 not mych i can do about that apart there are systems already place to address those issues
Asking questions is one of those systems

P3

Sorry but any evidence apart from taking you to heathrow is going to be second hand
Ive provided links adequate for this conversation . .if i get time I will find a better source

[Ocean1]

You just did it again by trying to excuse what goes on under the guise of it not being able to be any other way. As fucktarded as that it, it is EXCEPTIONALLY hilarious. Thanks.

No it isn't, the alternative is using the same transport and infrastructure to shift the same food to the same places only based on need and not financial viability.

I completely agree with your summation of the content of your post. It is fuckin thick.

What? If you can't actually understand what's said don't bother answering with any old shit that just happens to take your fancy, that's called drivel, and I can't be fucked with any more of your irrelevant bullshit.

[Ocean1]

hows those House prices ....

food prices ....

wages.....

oh no I forgot ...you are fine

my bad carry on


Stephen

Correct. It's the result of living in the real world.

[bogan]

Citizens work for big companies
Many leaders have said how easy it is to get people to vote a certain way

P2 not mych i can do about that apart there are systems already place to address those issues
Asking questions is one of those systems

P3

Sorry but any evidence apart from taking you to heathrow is going to be second hand
Ive provided links adequate for this conversation . .if i get time I will find a better source

I'm aware of that 'flaw', I even have a theory about weighting a person's vote on past performance to combat it, but creating a yardstick or means of weighting the votes is beyond our current ability. That flaw is an unavoidable one in any democracy; it is one of the great advantages to a monarchy, but of course they have their own downsides. I think by giving more power to the people as I have outlined would still offer benefits over the current system.

But in your case it is question after question after question, I mean you still haven't explained the airports and windmills thing have you?

How do you know they fly in and out of heathrow? At this point I'll settle for those facts...