Minutes from BRONZ meeting with ACC minister on safety and levy reduction

[davebullet]

I don't give a fuck what conditions that are required BEFORE ACC will CONSIDER changes to the levy system.
I don't give a fuck about many things...............

So why are you here?

[Swoop]

Are scooter crashes added to motorcycle or car statistics ? As they are ride on a car license it would make sense to be added to car statistics

That should be one of the first points to work on, as well as getting farm bikes removed from statistics even remotely involving road registered bikes.

[Moi]

That should be one of the first points to work on, as well as getting farm bikes removed from statistics even remotely involving road registered bikes.

I'd like to see this "it's under 50cc so you can ride it on a car licence" [and now 125cc Yamaha Tricity] abolished... if it is a PTW [powered two wheeler] then you have the appropriate licence...

However, this may require a total rethink of how licences are structured and may require people being taught how to ride or drive...

[GTRMAN]

I'd like to see this "it's under 50cc so you can ride it on a car licence" [and now 125cc Yamaha Tricity] abolished... if it is a PTW [powered two wheeler] then you have the appropriate licence...

However, this may require a total rethink of how licences are structured and may require people being taught how to ride or drive...

Fair point, it may also require talking to the Ministry of Transport who own the licensing system. There is a review later this year.

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[tri boy]

So why are you here?

To stir the pot.
Yours?

[James Deuce]

I really don't want to be represented by BRONZ in any way. Can I pay double the ACC levy instead please?

[davebullet]

To stir the pot.
Yours?

Please sir bump this post! For me to save a life and money. I'll take my knighthood next year

[davebullet]

I really don't want to be represented by BRONZ in any way. Can I pay double the ACC levy instead please?

I'll make sure not to mention your name Jim.

[mossy1200]

I'll make sure not to mention your name Jim.

Tell them if I am going to be treated like the object of an insurance policy I want to only pay my policy once as I cant crash 2 bikes at the same time and I don't want to cover 280k licenced riders when there is not 280k registered motorcycles in the country. You can mention my name if you like.

[Moi]

Fair point, it may also require talking to the Ministry of Transport who own the licensing system. There is a review later this year.

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That's interesting. Do you know when? Have looked at the MoT website and not found anything...

[BMWST?]

Tell them if I am going to be treated like the object of an insurance policy I want to only pay my policy once as I cant crash 2 bikes at the same time and I don't want to cover 280k licenced riders when there is not 280k registered motorcycles in the country. You can mention my name if you like.

you cant apply the levy to a license.many many licensed driver and riders dont own a vehicle.

[bogan]

you cant apply the levy to a license.many many licensed driver and riders dont own a vehicle.

And does this prevent them from being able to crash one they borrow?

[mossy1200]

you cant apply the levy to a license.many many licensed driver and riders dont own a vehicle.

Then they can put their licence on hold. Pay a photo fee to get another when they want it renewed. That's easier than crashing more than one bike at the same time.
The road tax side of the rego can stay the same and you need be licenced ACC holder to register your bike.

[FJRider]

you cant apply the levy to a license.many many licensed driver and riders dont own a vehicle.

And many many licensed drivers and riders have more than one vehicle.

With an ACC rating based solely on YOUR driving record (ie: traffic convictions/infringements/insurance rating/record) ...

I'm betting NZ'rs base driving standard would THEN improve ... substantially ...

[mossy1200]

And many many licensed drivers and riders have more than one vehicle.

With an ACC rating based solely on YOUR driving record (ie: traffic convictions/infringements/insurance rating/record) ...

I'm betting NZ'rs base driving standard would THEN improve ... substantially ...

Also you could have a re entry course for those that have been on hold longer than 2 years to ensure the midlife crisis riders are ready to start riding again. Small discounts for those that have attended the new ride safe courses bronze/ silver/ gold and urban. There seems to be more effort getting revenue to cover accidents than being imaginative enough to reduce accidents at the same time.

Bonus is you could create a punishment for riding unlicensed that would put people off more like loss of all licence types and still retain the road user side of registration without ACC content on the vehicle itself.