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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    He made his comments in the Chicago Daily Tribune of Feb 23 1948.

    Look it up.
    Okay - lets take all his comments at face value

    (and since you are too lazy - here is the source http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1...rips-injustice)

    Does it prove The Holocaust didn't happen? No.
    Does it prove Torture was used to get confessions? No.
    Does it prove some giant Jewish Conspiracy? No.

    What he says is that the the trial had inherent bias in as the Allies were conducting them and the Allies had won the war, that the prosecution didn't make all the records available to the defense, only those that they themselves submitted as evidence, That some of the lawyers involved in the trial were grandstanding in the hopes of career advancement, That some of the prisoners had been subject to multiple interrogations throughout the duration of their incarceration without legal counsel present, and that finally that there was no formal appeals process.

    All of which could be perfectly valid critiques - as I said, lets take them on Face Value, but they still don't prove any of the statements that you have made.

    Interesting to note is that the other 2 judges vehemently disagreed with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Does it prove Torture was used to get confessions? No.
    Have you read the comments from Senator McCarthy yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Katman loses that is why he believes everything is a conspiracy. He needs to.
    Reminds me of a few others.............
    No he doesn't. He seems to be saying that he has reason for doubt, and in some cases there's a fuckload of evidence to show that history has been unduly manipulated in some way, or written based on one "knowledge" set and passed on as a version of history. People died. Millions of them. Lots of 'em more than likely gassed. Lost of 'em from typhus, malnutrition, hunger etc... fuckin shit.
    Yeah, some people don't like the idea that history may well have been tampered with by people very capable of doing so at the time. No email trail, very little paperwork, lashings of myth, all potentially with degrees of merit, yet all inherently guesses at what really happened. Claiming conspiracy is a double edged sword if you're unwilling to accept that you're potentially wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Have you read the comments from Senator McCarthy yet?
    As I said before, No.

    Every source you have submitted either has more holes than a sieve or doesn't actually support any of the claims you make. And I grow tired of having to search for the sources you allude to.

    If you want me to read something - present the quote with the relevant source - $5 and a packet of Crisps says it won't be with code the website is written in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    If you want me to read something - present the quote with the relevant source - $5 and a packet of Crisps says it won't be with code the website is written in.
    Did you go to the same university of laziness that Bogan did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Did you go to the same university of laziness that Bogan did?
    I must have, and Graduated with Honours (except for all those times I supplied the evidence for my position and cited a reputable, unbiased and peer reviewed source for them - it would have been much easier just to use the Jewish resources as they came up first)

    Hows your Doctorate in 'Confusing Skepticism with blind faith-based denials of any evidence that contradicts your bigoted views whilst using Circular logic, strawmen and accepting as truth any fallacious drivel that supports your bigoted views' working out for you?

    Surely you must be coming up to be Nominated as a Tenured professor in this field at the University of Redneck, Yeehaa and White Supremacy
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    Ah well, if you're interested enough you'll look for it.

    If you're not interested enough.....who gives a fuck?

    The world will continue to turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Did you go to the same university of laziness that Bogan did?
    Same uni of enlightened awesomeness more like. Evidence based conclusions are just the logical way to go. It's why society as a whole tends to shun you foolish conspiracy nutters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    No he doesn't. He seems to be saying that he has reason for doubt, and in some cases there's a fuckload of evidence to show that history has been unduly manipulated in some way, or written based on one "knowledge" set and passed on as a version of history. People died. Millions of them. Lots of 'em more than likely gassed. Lost of 'em from typhus, malnutrition, hunger etc... fuckin shit.
    Yeah, some people don't like the idea that history may well have been tampered with by people very capable of doing so at the time. No email trail, very little paperwork, lashings of myth, all potentially with degrees of merit, yet all inherently guesses at what really happened. Claiming conspiracy is a double edged sword if you're unwilling to accept that you're potentially wrong.
    Well I have seen the records (well what's left of them) 2/3 of fuck all died from typhus at Auschwitz. Millions arrived by train most of those trainloads of people never made the official camp records. why is this............ f-all left the camp alive.
    Some people only see what they want too, what is convenient.
    Katman only believes in conspiracies. He needs them. Hense his "well maybe 10 of thousands" may have died statement.
    The burden of proof lies with those trying to disprove history, the denial camp his huge on rhetoric slim on any actual evidence as can been seen here by a total lack of any evidence at all.
    History is not proven by Katman's gut feeling.



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    Oh noes using a well and trusted jewish almanac
    We find the population went down by 2/5th of fk all . . But hang werent 90 % wiped out 6 mill at least

    More hang on . Something need chips to go with this fishy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Ah well, if you're interested enough you'll look for it.

    If you're not interested enough.....who gives a fuck?

    The world will continue to turn.
    And thats about it

    Right there . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    And thats about it

    Right there . . .

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    Only a wee problem

    The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:

    1941 15,748,091
    1944 15,192,089
    1947 15,688,259
    1948 15,688,259
    1949 11,266,600

    Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49. No fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The figures listed for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates made in 1938. The source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and the numbers are listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the numbers are given as a part of a list of various world religions rather than standing on their own with a country-by-country breakdown as in the other years.

    Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.

    The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.
    http://www.nizkor.org/features/denia...ldalmanac.html
    The Times later explained that their data had come from the 1948 World Almanac in this letter to Morris Kominsky from the author of the piece:

    "Dear Mr. Kominsky,
    "Thank you for your letter of inquiry of January 6.
    "The world Jewish population figures printed in this
    story came from the 1948 edition of the World Almanac.
    Later we checked it with the American Jewish Committee and
    other sources and said in the correction, as I noted to you
    in my previous letter, that the authorities agree that
    Hitler's wholesale massacre of Jews during the war reduced
    the Jewish population to perhaps 12 million today (2/26/48).
    "If Mr. Freedman met with me I do not remember it.
    The problem is of course, that you are talking about events
    that took place 19 years ago. I see hundreds of people per
    year, many of them only for a few minutes so I could not
    swear that I did not see Mr. Freedman but if I did it made
    no impression either upon me or upon my assistant.
    "I do not know what Mr. Freedman means by examination
    of documents but to my knowledge we had no particular
    documents bearing on the issue in question.
    "I hope this answers your questions; if there is
    anything else you wish to know please do not hesitate to
    write again.
    "Sincerely, Hanson W. Baldwin (Military Editor)"
    That's right bummer for you.

    "On February 22, 1948, the New York Times published
    figures taken from their 1947 secret census indicating
    a minimum of 16,150,000 and a maximum of 19,200,000
    so-called "Jews" in the world for 1947. Through the
    courtesy of Mr. Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of
    the NY Times this author conferred on February 23,
    1948 with Commander Baldwin [NOTE: He refers to Hanson
    Baldwin, military editor of the Times at the time who
    wrote a weekly column for the Sunday paper -- this
    will be important later on in this discussion] in his
    office where this author examined documents fully
    supporting the figures published by the NY Times on
    February 22, 1948. This author was allowed to examine
    the file containing the results of the searching
    investigations conducted by the NY Times through its
    own offices throughout the world and with the
    collaboration of governments and religious bodies in
    those foreign countries."

    WHO WAS BEN FREEDMAN, BY THE WAY?
    Benjamin Harrison Freedman was the originator of the
    theory that today's Jews are not the descendants of the
    Jews mentioned in the Bible, but rather descendants of the
    Khazars, an Asiatic people who occupied Southern Russia
    (Mongolians, no less) during the seventh century, who had
    converted to Judiasm. He was born a Jew in New York in
    1890, but called himself a fascist and an "honorary Aryan".
    When WWII broke out he supported of Hitler and predicted
    Germany would win the war. [More about Freedman and a
    debunking of the Khazar theory avalable on request.]

    WHY IS FREEDMAN'S NUMBER IMPORTANT?
    Ben's number of "a minimum of 16,150,000 and a maximum
    of 19,200,000" were intended to show that the number of
    Jews had risen after the war, thus proving the Holocaust
    death numbers were exaggerated. It was picked up (usually
    rounded off to 15 to 18 million for some reason) by various
    Holocaust revisionists over the years.

    FOR INSTANCE:
    George Lincoln Rockwell, late Fuehrer of the American
    Nazi Party, gave an interview to "Playboy" magazine in
    April, 1966, where cites Hanson's figures--but just the
    higher one (18 million) -- Then he adds the 6 million Jews
    exterminated by Hitler, and comes up with a total of 24
    million world Jewish population for 1948. He compares 24
    million with the 1939 World Almanac figure for world
    Jewish population: 15,688,259 in an attempt to prove that
    8,311,741 Jews appeared on the planet between 1939 and
    1948.

    Another (more relavant) example: In 1976, Arthur Butz
    wrote "The Hoax of the 20th Century"--a book that supposes
    that the Holocaust is a Zionist plot and that 6,000,000
    Jews did not die at the hands of the Nazis. In that book,
    in a discussion of pre- and post-war population figures (p
    13) Butz stated:

    "Hanson Baldwin, N.Y. Times Military expert, in an
    article written in 1948 dealing with the then forthcoming
    Arab-Jewish war on the basis of information available at
    the UN and other places, gave a figure of 15 to 18 million
    world Jewish population, as well as figures for such things
    as Jews in Palestine, Jews in the Middle East, Arabs in
    Palestine, total Arabs, total Moslems,etc. (footnote 6)."

    Hanson's 02/22/48 article (NY Times, page 4) was
    entitled "Armies for Palestine: Need for International
    Force of 70,000 Believed Indicated as U. N. Faces Decision"
    (this was an article about a possible Arab-Israeli war).
    Buried in the text was this:

    ". . . The Jewish areas of Palestine are an enclave
    surrounded by Arabs. There are 650,000 to 700,000 Jews in
    Palestine and about 1,250,000 Arabs. Another 500,000 Jews
    inhabit other Arab countries in the Middle East. The Arab
    population these states, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria,
    Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen and Trans-Jordan, is more than
    30,000,000. In these countries, the Jews are tied by
    bonds of religion to the rest of the fifteen to eighteen
    million Jews of the world, and most of the Arabs share
    their religion with the rest of the world's 221,000,000
    Moslems..."

    [NOTE: in context, we see that while Baldwin provides
    literal numbers for the various population figures (i.e.
    1,250,000), he gives figurative numbers (i.e. "fifteen to
    eighteen million") for the estimated population of Jews.
    It would seem he didn't think it was important to get the
    number exact for this article. Ironically, he was trying to
    show how FEW Jews there were compared to Moslems, but
    that's another story.]

    Getting back to Mr. Freedman. Remember his "secret
    census", his visit with Mr. Sulzberger and Mr. Baldwin, and
    his search through a "file containing the results of the
    searching investigations conducted by the NY Times through
    its own offices throughout the world and with the
    collaboration of governments and religious bodies in those
    foreign countries"? NOTE: Mr Freedman says he went to the
    Times office on Mon. Feb 23 (the paper came out on Sunday,
    Feb 22). Pretty fast footwork, no?


    WHAT ELSE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS AFFAIR?

    Morris Kominsky, author of "Hoaxers" (Branden Press,
    1970) [NOTE: this is BEFORE Butz's publication date of
    1976], wrote a letter to Mr. Balwin and recieved the
    following reply:

    "Dear Mr. Kominsky,
    "Thank you for your letter of inquiry of January 6.
    "The world Jewish population figures printed in this
    story came from the 1948 edition of the World Almanac.
    Later we checked it with the American Jewish Committee and
    other sources and said in the correction, as I noted to you
    in my previous letter, that the authorities agree that
    Hitler's wholesale massacre of Jews during the war reduced
    the Jewish population to perhaps 12 million today
    (2/26/48).
    "If Mr. Freedman met with me I do not remember it.
    The problem is of course, that you are talking about events
    that took place 19 years ago. I see hundreds of people per
    year, many of them only for a few minutes so I could not
    swear that I did not see Mr. Freedman but if I did it made
    no impression either upon me or upon my assistant.
    "I do not know what Mr. Freedman means by examination
    of documents but to my knowledge we had no particular
    documents bearing on the issue in question.
    "I hope this answers your questions; if there is
    anything else you wish to know please do not hesitate to
    write again.
    "Sincerely, Hanson W. Baldwin (Military Editor)"

    IN SUMMATION:
    There was no "secret census", no "file containing the
    results of the searching investigations conducted by the NY
    Times through its own offices throughout the world and with
    the collaboration of governments and religious bodies in
    those foreign countries". Just a beleagered ex-military
    man appointed editor who looked up some numbers in an
    almanac. Mr. Freedman, in his eagerness to prove a point,
    unwittingly caused a chain reaction of errors that were
    perpetuated by people who didn't bother to check the facts.

    A lot of times, when I'm verifying claims made by
    revisionists and racists, I find errors, quotes out of
    context and selective presentation of data. It's hard to
    take the revisionist postion seriously when it's this easy
    to debunk the basic tenents
    Of course good old IBM already has the exact figures for the Jewish population of western Europe in the WW2 era.
    you may want to google that Stephen
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Only a wee problem

    That's right bummer for you.
    Hang on they checked with the jewish community to see if they made a mistake
    And sure enough they had because the sums anit matching

    Fish sauce

    But i will look into it

    Too many un clear what the fks for my liking

    It always seems to be Jewish historians offfering evidence
    Or germans with ropes around there necks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    Hang on they checked with the jewish community to see if they made a mistake
    And sure enough they had because the sums anit matching

    Fish sauce

    But i will look into it

    Too many un clear what the fks for my liking

    It always seems to be Jewish historians offfering evidence
    Or germans with ropes around there necks

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    NO read it again Stephen.
    the figures you source quoted were 1948 figures that were based on 1938 data.
    the times printed it and they were then retracted and used the correct data from 1949.
    To be fair Stephen there was a war on I don't think the priorities were with census data collection.
    I note you ignored the tapes of the german POW conversations they had in the cells as being any sort of evidence.

    As for the Germans or the jewsh giving the evidence
    They were the ones that were there Stephen............Had you considered that wee gem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    NO read it again Stephen.
    the figures you source quoted were 1948 figures that were based on 1938 data.
    the times printed it and they were then retracted and used the correct data from 1949.
    To be fair Stephen there was a war on I don't think the priorities were with census data collection.
    I note you ignored the tapes of the german POW conversations they had in the cells as being any sort of evidence.

    As for the Germans or the jewsh giving the evidence
    They were the ones that were there Stephen............Had you considered that wee gem.
    Yes
    But not in a position right now to give a decent reply
    But it seems when i do dig the evidence doesnt stack up

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