Climate Change Poll

[Akzle]

And if they are right and we do nothing? When the air is so polluted in cities it's not safe to breathe and you can't see across the street - something has to change. It's already happening slowly - 100watt filament light bulbs are banned and other filament lamps are being phased out.

yeah. So hows all those icemaker upright fridge freezers, the bajillion inch plasma tvs (3 per house) always on cellphones, tablets, pcs, laptops, hairdryers, toasters, resistive water heaters, heat pumps, aircon (always on because house design is so fucking inefficient).... The 2000w of lighting you use for <4hrs a day is gnatts piss compared to the rest.

Inefficiency in the name of convinience.
Yay society.

(i also, find already that the air in town is too polluted to comfortably breathe)

[jonbuoy]

yeah. So hows all those icemaker upright fridge freezers, the bajillion inch plasma tvs (3 per house) always on cellphones, tablets, pcs, laptops, hairdryers, toasters, resistive water heaters, heat pumps, aircon (always on because house design is so fucking inefficient).... The 2000w of lighting you use for <4hrs a day is gnatts piss compared to the rest.

Inefficiency in the name of convinience.
Yay society.

(i also, find already that the air in town is too polluted to comfortably breathe)

More than 4 hours a day in a lot of places. If you can light your whole house using the same power as one 100w filament light that's a win for you. 4watt LEDs kick out more light than a 40watt lightbulb good quality LEDs are hard to distinguish from a filament bulb - apart from the fact they don't get hot. New houses have better insulation computers, fridges, freezers, aircon are all getting more efficient.

[mashman]

And if they are right and we do nothing?

Reckon we might have an earthquake one day? Perhaps a tsunami? Maybe a volcanic eruption or meteor strike? Are we prepared for any of those things? No. Even though they have always existed, feck all has been done. Haiti is still in the shitter after an earthquake. Something about not being able to afford the resources they need to put a roof over everyone's head... let alone the highest quality of building that's designed to handle earthquakes a little better. Not an issue under RBE .

[jonbuoy]

Reckon we might have an earthquake one day? Perhaps a tsunami? Maybe a volcanic eruption or meteor strike? Are we prepared for any of those things? No. Even though they have always existed, feck all has been done. Haiti is still in the shitter after an earthquake. Something about not being able to afford the resources they need to put a roof over everyone's head... let alone the highest quality of building that's designed to handle earthquakes a little better. Not an issue under RBE .

We aren't able to control any of those events- for sure we're all going to face extinction one day - doesn't stop most people from doing what they can to look after themselves.

[mashman]

We aren't able to control any of those events- for sure we're all going to face extinction one day - doesn't stop most people from doing what they can to look after themselves.

It's not about control is it? It's about mitigation innit? i.e. should things go tits to the point that 99% of the population are wiped out, there's still a 1% that have to survive. We make that survival harder the more we ignore that reality. It's an extreme example, but it still shows that we really are doing nothing about it. May as well just keep setting goals and burning shit until the jury is in lol.

[Akzle]

More than 4 hours a day in a lot of places. If you can light your whole house using the same power as one 100w filament light that's a win for you. 4watt LEDs kick out more light than a 40watt lightbulb good quality LEDs are hard to distinguish from a filament bulb - apart from the fact they don't get hot. New houses have better insulation computers, fridges, freezers, aircon are all getting more efficient.

yes but the principal design is inefficient. Uprights dump all the cold out every time you open the door.
heating, insulation and aircon become redundant in a house designed around passive solar/cooling, air flow and thermal mass.


Yes. Any decrease in consumption is good. But it's a bit like turning the fuel pump down an a turbosupercharged downdraughted v8, when you could use a carolla instead.

[oldrider]

Data or Dogma? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GujLcfdovE8 Grist for the mill? .

[TheDemonLord]

(i also, find already that the air in town is too polluted to comfortably breathe)

You could try not breathing

However - some Head on Nail action is in your latter post:

yes but the principal design is inefficient. Uprights dump all the cold out every time you open the door.
heating, insulation and aircon become redundant in a house designed around passive solar/cooling, air flow and thermal mass.

Yes. Any decrease in consumption is good. But it's a bit like turning the fuel pump down an a turbosupercharged downdraughted v8, when you could use a carolla instead.

It's almost like you are saying - we could do things better to reduce our environmental impact without any major decrease in the current comforts we enjoy.....

That and bring on Fusion Power.

[Akzle]

You could try not breathing

or. Since you're a fat cunt, as well as a town-dwelling commuting and consuming faggot, and ergo more of a drain on my oxygenic resauce: you.

It's almost like you are saying - we could do things better to reduce our environmental impact without any major decrease in the current comforts we enjoy.....

That and bring on Fusion Power.

a) no.
b) no.

Although i envision chest fridges with hydraulic pop up shelf drawers.

Copyright ax.

F&p do fridge drawers, ridiculous price, and somehow not as efficient as they should be, but moving in the right direction.

[TheDemonLord]

or. Since you're a fat cunt, as well as a town-dwelling commuting and consuming faggot, and ergo more of a drain on my oxygenic resauce: you.

I contribute more

a) no.
b) no.

Although i envision chest fridges with hydraulic pop up shelf drawers.

Copyright ax.

F&p do fridge drawers, ridiculous price, and somehow not as efficient as they should be, but moving in the right direction.

You say no, but then agree with my point - that with advances in technology we can have less impact on the environment whilst maintaining lifestyle.

And why you no like Fusion?

[jonbuoy]

I bet if the govt introduced an earthquake and volcano tax as well as this emissions tax there would still be fools thinking the additional taxes will stop them happening as well and be happy to pay even more tax.

It's crazy we have to resort to taxing polluters rather than voluntarily sorting our own shit out but big industry/business won't do anything unless it affects the bean counters bottom line.

[Akzle]

I contribute more

thoroughly arguable

You say no, but then agree with my point - that with advances in technology

refrigeration technology is essentially the same as the 60s, just with r134 and the like in place of ammonia.
Chest freezers have existed for just as long.
Why no cunt has put 1 and 1 together with the physics of cold....? Inconvinience.
remote mounting a compressor (rather than having it under what youre trying to cool - duh!), building fridges into houses rather than selling every cunt one? (PROFIT !!1101!)

and the "technology" of thermal mass and sun has been comprehended for long. (long before crackerfullas stole the world) So why isnt every building in nz a net energy exporter? Why is there centralised waste processing, power distribution, etc? Instead of everyone dealing with their own shit on their own place?
Passive cooling (cellars and cold stores ie) are non fucking existant, rather than mandatory, in nz.

[yokel]

If this LENR actually works? that would be a game changer.

[TheDemonLord]

thoroughly arguable

Indeed - but we would need to agree on the Metrics used first

refrigeration technology is essentially the same as the 60s, just with r134 and the like in place of ammonia.
Chest freezers have existed for just as long.
Why no cunt has put 1 and 1 together with the physics of cold....? Inconvinience.
remote mounting a compressor (rather than having it under what youre trying to cool - duh!), building fridges into houses rather than selling every cunt one? (PROFIT !!1101!)

See - not silly ideas - the problem here is that houses existed before fridges - so when fridges were invented, people with houses bought them. When they moved house, they took the Fridge with them. As you say - Convenience is an important factor (where are the Electric cars?).

A Fridge built into a house is actually pretty cool (THE PUN!) to the point that were I to build my own house - I'll actually seriously consider it.

and the "technology" of thermal mass and sun has been comprehended for long. (long before crackerfullas stole the world) So why isnt every building in nz a net energy exporter? Why is there centralised waste processing, power distribution, etc? Instead of everyone dealing with their own shit on their own place?
Passive cooling (cellars and cold stores ie) are non fucking existant, rather than mandatory, in nz.

Cellars in Flood and Earthquake prone areas are recipes for disaster (just look at all the issues with Houses that flooded with cellars during Hurrican Katrina) however I'd counter that I'm pretty sure it was the Greeks and Romans (pretty Cracker Fullas) that really turned it into a documented science (although maybe the Chinese did something similar, but that wouldn't have influenced western architecture)

As for everyone sorting their own shit - Economies of Scale and the efficiencies of centralization are desirable (even the Romans had worked this out)

[Akzle]

Indeed - but we would need to agree on the Metrics used first

Cellars in Flood and Earthquake prone areas are recipes for disaster

As for everyone sorting their own shit - Economies of Scale and the efficiencies of centralization are desirable (even the Romans had worked this out)

any

we use this marvelous shit called reinforced concrete. Building cities on sand is fucking stupid, even jesus knew this.
And there are building methods that move with an eartquake and survive, rather than trying to brace against it (and failing).

Centralisation requires distribution. Every which way you paint it, distribution if far less efficient than locally sourced, used, recycled shit.

The line losses on electricty distribution are enough to power a city full of your mums dildos.

The reticulation network for water, sewerage etc... Inefficient, and large ongoing maintenance requirements.