MAG NZ Taking Action

[Virago]

I was all for the all inclusive approach last time round but some folk got all bent out of shape over it. Shame really

Anyway they have Facebook now so pop along for a hug

For someone who criticises them for their sensitivity, you seem to have a non-stop stream of pissing and moaning about them. FFS get over it, and walk away.

[MadDuck]

I'm thinking the anti-cyclist tones on their page (fb) isn't all too helpful either. I seem to remember the phrase "who's next" coming from a desire to raise awareness and solidarity between vehicle groups, rather than trying to put targets on them too.

It Really is amusing how things get twisted.

I posted a photo on the MAG Facebook page about the $18million spent on the "pink" cycle way in Auckland. All the while MSAC have $10 million of our safety levies sitting in a bank account. I post a lot of facts and figures on the page.

If anyone wants to hear the other side of the story to any rumours and bullshit posted on here then please feel free to PM me or email one of the team.

[bogan]

It Really is amusing how things get twisted.

I posted a photo on the MAG Facebook page about the $18million spent on the "pink" cycle way in Auckland. All the while MSAC have $10 million of our safety levies sitting in a bank account. I post a lot of facts and figures on the page.

If anyone wants to hear the other side of the story to any rumours and bullshit posted on here then please feel free to PM me or email one of the team.

Twisted?

You posted a photo with the caption "Yep. How much? Words fail me. See you on the 13th" Why do words fail you?

And then you also have comments like

"18 bastard Mill for this ..."

"Words don't fail me. How much did cyclists pay for this extension for your hobby? Oh, thats right SFA."

"Sure looks like they rolled out the red carpet for the Lycra brigade."

"Yep, and how many people really can cycle to work as a practical option, compared to how many could motorbike to work if they weren't taxed off the road!!!!"

Be a bit more inclusive mate, which is a two-for-one tip, because people shouldn't have to get in touch with you by email or PM to hear the positives you have to say...

[nzspokes]

Twisted?

You posted a photo with the caption "Yep. How much? Words fail me. See you on the 13th" Why do words fail you?

And then you also have comments like

"18 bastard Mill for this ..."

"Words don't fail me. How much did cyclists pay for this extension for your hobby? Oh, thats right SFA."

"Sure looks like they rolled out the red carpet for the Lycra brigade."

"Yep, and how many people really can cycle to work as a practical option, compared to how many could motorbike to work if they weren't taxed off the road!!!!"

Be a bit more inclusive mate, which is a two-for-one tip, because people shouldn't have to get in touch with you by email or PM to hear the positives you have to say...

To me 18m seems like a bargain to get more on bicycles. And walking. For a start its less cars on the road. And it gets sedentary folk moving. It costs more than a few $$$$ to look after obese folk through the medical system. Im a little involved with a few people like this, one guy that was 150kg is now pedaling his way to health. Not all cyclists are lycra warriors.

[Jin]

A cycleway was built on the shore near takapuna years ago. A study sometime later looked at the use of it compared to cost. The conclusion was it would have been cheaper to buy the cyclists a Ferrari each.

[bogan]

To me 18m seems like a bargain to get more on bicycles. And walking. For a start its less cars on the road. And it gets sedentary folk moving. It costs more than a few $$$$ to look after obese folk through the medical system. Im a little involved with a few people like this, one guy that was 150kg is now pedaling his way to health. Not all cyclists are lycra warriors.

Exactly.

Palmy is in the process of spending 12mil to add more length to the free left turn lanes. It'll probably save up to 2 light phase waits during rush 10minutes. The point is any cunt can exclaim where they think other money would be better spent; seems more important to eductate (and yes this requires inclusion) others to see the benefits of where one wants it spent. Just like the flag debate really.

[Fatt Max]

Getting back on topic though......

Is the ACC levy issue a dead dog or can a motorcycle protest organisation, such as MAG make the real difference to our pockets?

Is there a better way of making the point rather than park ups and the like?

This is an honest question, in no way a dig (as I know some will perceive it). I'm just interested to gauge the current thinking on this among the wider biker community

[swbarnett]

Is the ACC levy issue a dead dog or can a motorcycle protest organisation, such as MAG make the real difference to our pockets?

Unfortunately we live in a society that likes to step on minorities. As long as motorcyclists are viewed by the rest of the public as a drain on society then nothing will change no matter how big a tantrum we throw.

It would probably be better to ignore the specific inequalities that apply to motorcycles and concentrate on fixing ACC as a whole from the inside. This will require politicians with clout and the will to use it.

[Voltaire]

Getting back on topic though......

Is the ACC levy issue a dead dog or can a motorcycle protest organisation, such as MAG make the real difference to our pockets?

Is there a better way of making the point rather than park ups and the like?

This is an honest question, in no way a dig (as I know some will perceive it). I'm just interested to gauge the current thinking on this among the wider biker community

I dunno, the Onehunga Club are probably happy about MAG's Hard Core protesting

Come on people, join in and support MAG NZ in the fight to stop unfair ACC levies. the last protest ride was big lets make this BIGGER.
This protest ride is going to be longer, starting at Silverdale's park & ride, we will be meeting there at 2pm and ready to leave by 2.30pm. The ride will leave Silverdale on the motorway and head to Greenlane then from Greenlane to the Onehunga Club, thats where the ride will end.
We would like invite you to join us after the ride up in the club where there will be a sausage sizzle, coffee and tea for a gold coin donation, all the donations will go towards the TV documentary being made called "Taken For A Ride" which is about how ACC are discriminating Motorcyclist.

The bar will also be open too.

[RGVforme]

Getting back on topic though......

Is the ACC levy issue a dead dog or can a motorcycle protest organisation, such as MAG make the real difference to our pockets?

Is there a better way of making the point rather than park ups and the like?

This is an honest question, in no way a dig (as I know some will perceive it). I'm just interested to gauge the current thinking on this among the wider biker community

As I sit on my front porch beer in hand and typing this looking out on one of Hawkes bays most popular day off riding routes watching riders fart past on Harleys wearing teeshirts shorts and Nazi helmets and sportbikes pulling wheelies off the intersection then shooting for the speed of light in what is clearly a built up area leading into a blind off camber 30km corner.I do find myself thinking that ACC may have a point when it comes to charging some riders the levy.Not all just some.

Until all riders and drivers change the way they think about motorbikes I don't think the issue will ever be a dead dog Fatt max and this is a very big ask.We will always have the many paying for the few.

[swbarnett]

We will always have the many paying for the few.

And this is exactly what ACC is supposed to be. FFS, insurance only works because of this. It and ACC are simply (supposed to be) the modern equivalent of an Amish barn raising. The whole community pitches in to help out when misfortune visits an individual.

[RGVforme]

And this is exactly what ACC is supposed to be. FFS, insurance only works because of this. It and ACC are simply (supposed to be) the modern equivalent of an Amish barn raising. The whole community pitches in to help out when misfortune visits an individual.

So kind of like the whole village putting in for when the village idiot hurts himself again and again and again just so when I hurt myself there is some coin for my treatment.This of course was my point.

Misfortune does tend to visit the slow of mind more often does it not?.

I do understand how and why ACC works.

[caseye]

It is a dead dog as far as riders on this site go as from comments I have got they would prefer to pay what they are paying now or more than see a transfer of the cost to those with a history
of at fault accidents. Maybe either having a history of being at fault or likely being at fault in the future spooks them.

Shit you'd be absolutely screwed then aye!
Go somewhere else and talk about something you might actually know a modicum about. B4 you start, you'd need to have been a founder member of the AMAG, followed by also being a founding member of the first MAG NZ, then and only then would I consider your comments as anything approaching knowledgeable or believable.
ACC's current position is not going to change anytime soon, they've got motorcyclists right where they want them ( paying through the nose, one and all) OK, those that do pay!
Frankly I object to this situation. I can see that without someone stepping to the plate, nothing will ever change. I hope this reincarnate of MAG NZ gets traction, I've not ruled out going along and riding with them, but I've had my fair share of kicks in the teeth and for now I'm quietly sitting on the fence. If I feel the urge to go along I will, if I can't contribute anything of value I will keep my peace and say nothing instead of saying something I might live to regret.
But Mrs cassina, I'm most definitely not in the mood to pay ACC's exorbitant sums in order to fix you up after so many single vehicle accidents, in this respect I would support a move to actual user pays across the board of all motor vehicle types and classes.
The thing is, it would soon become evident that a small minority of poor/bad, uninterested and basically untrainable drivers/riders are to blame for an extremely large number of motor vehicle accidents requiring the paying of ACC.

[caseye]

As usual, you have read into what has been said, only what you want to see/hear.
I said "actual user pays". I also said across all drivers, riders. Won't happen though.
I am not a member of any association, haven't been for some time. Even then, you can only do so much with next to nothing.Everyone has an opinion, most people won't go past voicing it, without getting so scared they run like rabbits when the boogeyman comes.
I wish MAG NZ and any and all other organisations attempting to achieve change in whatever way they can, all the luck in the world.
At least they're doing something besides flapping their gums.

[bogan]

Actual user pays will not work for the simple reason if someone hits you and they have no money you are stuffed/dead if you have no money either. My idea makes far more sense. I think they pay $1000 to register a vehicle in Aust. So just as a thought if you cause an accident resulting in injury your registration goes up to $1000 a year for the next 10 years.

Thank fuck you've finally understood what user pay means.

Maybe in another 5 months you'll understand why your idea is so shit.