Cancer and the drug companies

[husaberg]

So there's no actual 'requirement' for animals on an organic farm to be vaccinated then.

I thought not.

You might want to look into the codes of animal welfare in regards to pain and suffering before you look like even more of a cretin.(too late)
You don't think at all that all, go look at the codes as I instructed, then came back and post the same klaptrap.

Well from my actual practical experience based on 10 years working previously for MAF that is patently untrue. So no.
Organic farms commonly use vaccinations (by the way) were you unaware of that? They are also obligated to provide proper care which often necessitates the use of antibiotics.The use of modern medicine is a legal requirement to prevent unnecessary pain and suffering as well as public health.
Don't let the facts get in the way though ,carry on.............I am sure you having a pet dog and a long list of conspiracy theories overrides all other knowledge.

[J.A.W.]

That's odd especially as you and Katman are the most ignored people on KB and have been for a number of years.
That's a fact, unless JAW has finally managed to unseat you both yet as the publicly voted most irrelevant persona on KB.

& its too funny/ironic that those who put people on 'ignore' - can't help wanking on about it.. & are more likely to write a bunch of crap that warrants a severe edit..

Cancer research/treatment is a big bucks 'industry' & just like needless pathology tests, is fairly notorious for being costly/wasteful/ineffective..

[Katman]

You might want to look into the codes of animal welfare in regards to pain and suffering before you look like even more of a cretin.

I'm well aware of the codes of animal welfare and anyone who knows me would know that I take those codes very seriously.

However, with regards to the vaccination issue, although this link is for Australian organic farming, I'm sure New Zealand's management practices are very similar.

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass...ic-farming.pdf

So it would appear that there are very strict rules governing when a farmer is actually allowed to vaccinate their organic stock - as opposed to an actual 'requirement' for them to do so.

[husaberg]

I'm well aware of the codes of animal welfare and anyone who knows me would know that I would take those codes very seriously.

However, with regards to the vaccination issue, although this link is for Australian organic farming, I'm sure New Zealand's management practices are very similar.

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass...ic-farming.pdf

So it would appear that there are very strict rules governing when a farmer is actually allowed to vaccinate their organic stock.

Vaccination is not an issue for anyone but you. If you want to be taken seriously don't assume you know more about subject of commercial farming than people with actual training and practical experience.
For the sole reason that you read a few conspiracy sites and have an interest in dogs and cat welfare

Well from my actual practical experience based on 10 years working previously for MAF that is patently untrue. So no.
Organic farms commonly use vaccinations (by the way) were you unaware of that? They are also obligated to provide proper care which often necessitates the use of antibiotics.
The use of modern medicine is a legal requirement to prevent unnecessary pain and suffering as well as public health.
Don't let the facts get in the way though ,carry on.............I am sure you having a pet dog and a long list of conspiracy theories overrides all other knowledge.

As I have repeatedly said, it is common place for organic farmer to vaccinate their stock, you denied this, yet it is a fact.
You actually posted a link trying to make out it was not done.
As I have said, go to the Dairy companies code of conduct and rules of supply, regarding lepto vaccinations
It is also a legal requirement to medicate stock, to alleviate unnecessary pain and suffering. This Is a fact.
Try and twist and turn all you want. It isn't going to make what you wrongly thought and assumed to be correct.
Your continued inability to actually grasp the concept, only goes to further prove how much of what you believe is right is solely based on the faith in your conspiracy religion, rather than actual practical facts.

[Katman]

Vaccination is not an issue for anyone but you. If you want to be taken seriously don't assume you know more about subject of commercial farming than people with actual training and practical experience.
For the sole reason that you read a few conspiracy sites and have an interest in dogs and cat welfare
As I have repeatedly said it is common place for organic farmer to vaccinate their stock you, denied this it is a fact.
You actually posted a link trying to make out it was not done.
As I have said go to the Dairy companies code of conduct and rules of supply regarding lepto vaccinations
It is also a legal requirement to medicate stock to alleviate unnecessary pain and suffering this Is a fact.
Try and twist and turn all you want. It isn't going to make what you wrongly thought and assumed to be correct.
Your continued inability to actually grasp the concept only goes to further prove how much what you believe is right is solely based on the faith in your conspiracy religion rather than actual practical facts.

http://www.unique.ac.nz/courses/adult/

[husaberg]

http://www.unique.ac.nz/courses/adult/

For you, I guess that beats trying to argue on based on facts, because you clearly lost that argument pages ago.............
Its just you were too yokel to ever realise it.

[Katman]

For you, I guess that beats trying to argue on based on facts, because you clearly lost that argument pages ago.............

Dude, it goes way beyond grammar.

It's your inability to read the actual words in front of you and comprehend their actual meaning.

Instead your brain's spasms instruct you to make shit up that was never said.

The Lardy Demon does the same.

[husaberg]

Dude, it goes way beyond grammar.

It's your inability to read the actual words in front of you and comprehend their actual meaning.

Instead your brain's spasms instruct you to make shit up that was never said.

The Lardy Demon does the same.

Animals get all of those diseases.
If you had either watched a unvaccinated yet formally incredibly healthy looking sheep die of a clostridial infection such as tetanus, pulp kidney Black leg etc. The agony in which they go through prior to death with there convulsions and muscle spasms , I sincerely doubt anyone would avoid vaccinating their child.
(Other than Katman who of course has no children or any logic when it comes to his conspiracy religion)
of course its not such a widespread problem because of the 5 and 7 in one vbacines that are used by professional farmers.
It is extremely widespread still on lifestyle and hobby farmers due to a lack of education and ignorance.

Have you ever wondered why there is considerably less animal disease on organic farms?

Well from my actual practical experience based on 10 years working previously for MAF that is patently untrue. So no.
Organic farms commonly use vaccinations (by the way) were you unaware of that? They are also obligated to provide proper care which often necessitates the use of antibiotics.The use of modern medicine is a legal requirement to prevent unnecessary pain and suffering as well as public health.
Don't let the facts get in the way though ,carry on.............I am sure you having a pet dog and a long list of conspiracy theories overrides all other knowledge.

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...l-Farming.html

It was a general outline of the differences between organic and conventional farming.
If you want facts/data/science/evidence feel free to go looking for yourself.

Organic livestock may be, and must be, treated with medicine when they are sick.

You might want to look into the codes of animal welfare in regards to pain and suffering before you look like even more of a cretin.(too late)
You might also want to look into the requirements in regards to providing a safe work place in regards to Leptospirosis vacinations.
Then go to the individual Dairy companies codes of practice in regards to animal welfare and OSH in regards to both Lepto and animal welfare.

# note this is how little you know
The placing of treated animals in quarantine is actually a requirement for all farms with regards to withholding times for milk or meat regardless of if they are organic or not, with regards to the treatment of animals with antibiotics.

Vaccination is not an issue for anyone but you. If you want to be taken seriously don't assume you know more about subject of commercial farming than people with actual training and practical experience.
For the sole reason that you read a few conspiracy sites and have an interest in dogs and cat welfare

Well from my actual practical experience based on 10 years working previously for MAF that is patently untrue. So no.
Organic farms commonly use vaccinations (by the way) were you unaware of that? They are also obligated to provide proper care which often necessitates the use of antibiotics.
The use of modern medicine is a legal requirement to prevent unnecessary pain and suffering as well as public health.
Don't let the facts get in the way though ,carry on.............I am sure you having a pet dog and a long list of conspiracy theories overrides all other knowledge.

As I have repeatedly said, it is common place for organic farmer to vaccinate their stock, you denied this, yet it is a fact.
You actually posted a link trying to make out it was not done.
As I have said, go to the Dairy companies code of conduct and rules of supply, regarding lepto vaccinations
It is also a legal requirement to medicate stock, to alleviate unnecessary pain and suffering. This Is a fact.
Try and twist and turn all you want. It isn't going to make what you wrongly thought and assumed to be correct.
Your continued inability to actually grasp the concept, only goes to further prove how much of what you believe is right is solely based on the faith in your conspiracy religion, rather than actual practical facts.

[bogan]

Dude, it goes way beyond grammar.

It's your inability to read the actual words in front of you and comprehend their actual meaning.

Instead your brain's spasms instruct you to make shit up that was never said.

The Lardy Demon does the same.

I feel left out. So I'll point out that the bit you quoted doesn't mention grammar at all, are you selectively addressing points and making shit up to cover up the fact you lost the argument pages ago?

Also, fucking get a better insulty name for demon, that shit's just embarrassing.

[Katman]

I feel left out. So I'll point out that the bit you quoted doesn't mention grammar at all, are you selectively addressing points and making shit up to cover up the fact you lost the argument pages ago?

It was in reference to the first attachment that accompanies the quoted post.

Then again, I probably shouldn't have expected you to manage to figure that out.

[husaberg]

I feel left out. So I'll point out that the bit you quoted doesn't mention grammar at all, are you selectively addressing points and making shit up to cover up the fact you lost the argument pages ago?

Also, fucking get a better insulty name for demon, that shit's just embarrassing.

He actually got that hot under the collar he forgot to change my user name on a post.

[bogan]

It was the in reference to the first attachment that accompanies the quoted post.

Then again, I probably shouldn't have expected you to manage to figure that out.

So what you're saying is you selected to not comprehend or address the bit you specifically quoted?

Which is what I just said, which is the point you missed. You are making a habit of this sort of thing.

[Katman]

So what you're saying is you selected to not comprehend or address the bit you specifically quoted?

Which is what I just said, which is the point you missed. You are making a habit of this sort of thing.

Dude, if you're an example of our university graduates, I fucking despair.

Join the stupid cunt queue.

[husaberg]

So what you're saying is you selected to not comprehend or address the bit you specifically quoted?

Which is what I just said, which is the point you missed. You are making a habit of this sort of thing.

Wait he will resort to calling you a cunt now.
Its Katman code for I lost the argument.

[bogan]

Dude, if you're an example of our university graduates, I fucking despair.

Join the stupid cunt queue.

That'd be back to having a tanty then.