NZTA response to question about wire rope barriers.

[Doppleganger]

Why? Does it say something about track design?

It says they have installed a proven barrier that prevents serious injury to motorcyclists but strangely it isn't one of those wire barriers you sem to think are ok.
The same type of barrier they have around circuits funnily enough (if they dont have the concreat block type).

Go figure einstein

[sidecar bob]

just something about Regional contributions to NZ Economy:


it is certainly interesting that Auckland produces the highest percentage of GDP, I couldn't find anything about 80% of income tax is paid from AKL, but it wouldn't surprise me, especially since most of NZs wealthiest citizens are in AKL.

Did you miss the word "estimated" which is code for "this is based on fuck all research, just what I think might probably be the case"

[swbarnett]

Did you miss the word "estimated" which is code for "this is based on fuck all research, just what I think might probably be the case"

Not "fuck all research" as you put it, just figures claim to have been true in a census. Probably a good estimation of the truth.

[sidecar bob]

Not "fuck all research" as you put it, just figures claim to have been true in a census. Probably a good estimation of the truth.

An estimation is a flash word for a guess, however you want to package it.

[nodrog:Me]

It says they have installed a proven barrier that prevents serious injury to motorcyclists but strangely it isn't one of those wire barriers you sem to think are ok.
The same type of barrier they have around circuits funnily enough (if they dont have the concreat block type).

Go figure einstein

please refer to post #131.

[TheDemonLord]

An estimation is a flash word for a guess, however you want to package it.

Well, GDP is always estimated - For example things such as Cash Jobs, Illegal goods (Drugs, contraband etc.) which all contributes to GDP but isn't recorded due to it being illegal.

But of course, you would know that.....

[swbarnett]

An estimation is a flash word for a guess, however you want to package it.

A guess is a figure drawn out of thin air based on NO data. An estimate is an approximate answer based either on some limited but indicative data.

[granstar]

might find that was the brass three yr ago i think, and the cops did a fine job of feeding us bacon butties and eventually closed the road to all traffic once the wind died down and escorted us through so we could utilize the whole road,
at the end of the day if you haven't got the skills to stay in your own lane and anticipate what other traffic is likely to do then get off the fucken road and wait for the wind to die down.
and yes i have ridden and do still ride in strong winds from time to time.

Can attest to that, no fun riding near Russd7 after a feed of kina patties washed down with Lion Red

[WristTwister]

They say "of all fatalities, more were on W type..." this is stupid statistics. It's the odds of survival that matter, not how many people got killed by each barrier type. For each type of barrier, how many people die compared with how many people walk away?

[Berries]

They say "of all fatalities, more were on W type..." this is stupid statistics. It's the odds of survival that matter, not how many people got killed by each barrier type. For each type of barrier, how many people die compared with how many people walk away?

New Zealand crash data does not define the type of barrier involved, it is simply a 'barrier'. If a serious/fatal then the various actual reports will detail it if it is involved in the crash, but you have no chance of finding that info for crashes where the rider walked away. Some years ago I started going through the actual crash reports to see whether I could tell from the drawing or from what was said whether it was possible to identify the type of barrier but they are rarely that detailed so I gave up.

It's a hard one. I have attended several fatal crashes where a rider impacted with your normal W section armco type barrier. It is impossible to say whether the rider would have been killed if it was a wire rope barrier, or indeed if there was no barrier at all. I am yet to see a fatal involving WRB personally but then when you compare installation lengths that is not surprising. Have seen several hits where the rider survived without being turned into some kind of vintage cheddar though.

All I know is that if you come off your bike and hit any kind of guardrail at any kind of decent speed it is going to hurt like a fucking bastard. I ride in to Dunedin every day on SH1 and see how frequently the median WRB gets hit and to be honest I am thankful it is there. You aren't going to hit it on a bike unless you are a complete tool, but it might just save you from some inattentive dickhead in a car from taking you out in a high speed and almost inevitably fatal head on.

[Doppleganger]

please refer to post #131.

Argument fail ya twat.

Must be hard to think with that big cock in your mouth.

6,000 odd post on a motorcycle forum and you cant figure out the simple things about safety. Best you stay infront tof your keyboard ya hero

[nodrog:Me]

Argument fail ya twat.

Must be hard to think with that big cock in your mouth.

6,000 odd post on a motorcycle forum and you cant figure out the simple things about safety. Best you stay infront tof your keyboard ya hero

There seems to be only one person arguing here, I'm simply pointing out the facts.

P.s. your mums cock tastes funny.

[swbarnett]

I am yet to see a fatal involving WRB personally

Do you mean "haven't heard of one"? In which case there was one a few years back in the Papakura area. I also heard of one in Sydney a few years earlier (the rider was hit by a ladder that fell off the vehicle ahead).

All I know is that if you come off your bike and hit any kind of guardrail at any kind of decent speed it is going to hurt like a fucking bastard. I ride in to Dunedin every day on SH1 and see how frequently the median WRB gets hit and to be honest I am thankful it is there. You aren't going to hit it on a bike unless you are a complete tool,

Or someone else is. Or your tyre blows. Or your frame breaks. Or ... There are any number of ways you can come off without being a complete tool.

[Moi]

Do you mean "haven't heard of one"? In which case there was one a few years back in the Papakura area. I also heard of one in Sydney a few years earlier (the rider was hit by a ladder that fell off the vehicle ahead). Or someone else is. Or your tyre blows. Or your frame breaks. Or ... There are any number of ways you can come off without being a complete tool.

There was a rider who came off on the Waikato Expressway a few years back - can't find any report about it yet [still looking], IIRC, he had a blow-out and went into the WRB, can't remember whether he slid into the barrier supports or he rode into wire ropes still on the bike...


BTW - as for guess vs estimate - I used to explain to maths classes as "guess was an assumption" whereas an "estimate was a presumption" - the latter was based on evidence or data or experience, the former was "pulled out of the blue"...


I spoke too soon... http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/moto...#axzz3z3BTsNjB

[sidecar bob]

I ride my bikes as if binning them will kill me, regardless of wether I'm riding next to w W.R.B, a drain, a building, a shelter belt, a kerb, a lake, a fence, they are all hazards that could fuck me up, why such angst about a device that prevents one colliding with an oncoming truck? The retardation is palpable.