Lane splitting crackdown in Wellington?

**fxxk** · 24th March 2016, 16:07

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Stats be damned. The only person I'm endangering by not wearing a seat belt is me. NOONE has the right to save me from myself.

And the same goes for helmets and any other legally enforced PPE.

What about the time wasted having to call out emergency services or the time wasted when the road would have to be closed because a potentially minor accident becomes a major due to someone not wearing a seat belt? food for thought, always a bigger picture

**rambaldi** · 24th March 2016, 16:39

Originally Posted by RGVforme

Seen heaps of lane splitting vids where guys have been taken out by other lane splitters weaving and sudden stop rear ends when the gap the two riders were going for suddenly closed.

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I can understand doing it but the cost of getting it wrong just does not seem worth the time saving and feeling.

That is why I always pull over and give the rider behind me room to move on. Also because I am a pussy and don't want to hold them up

**Swoop** · 24th March 2016, 19:40

Originally Posted by yevjenko

for the same reason not wearing your seat belt is punished

Fashion?

**swbarnett** · 24th March 2016, 23:15

Originally Posted by fxxk

What about the time wasted having to call out emergency services or the time wasted when the road would have to be closed because a potentially minor accident becomes a major due to someone not wearing a seat belt? food for thought, always a bigger picture

Go down that road and you have to consider motorcycle riding (or any other "risky" behavior) in the same light and ban that as well.

**nzspokes** · 25th March 2016, 06:21

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Stats be damned. The only person I'm endangering by not wearing a seat belt is me. NOONE has the right to save me from myself.

And the same goes for helmets and any other legally enforced PPE.

Stuck in the dark ages much?

Well from the beginning of next month that attitude could cost you your house.

**awayatc** · 25th March 2016, 06:34

House?

please explain......

**Drew** · 25th March 2016, 06:41

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Stats be damned. The only person I'm endangering by not wearing a seat belt is me. NOONE has the right to save me from myself.

And the same goes for helmets and any other legally enforced PPE.

You still have the right to not wear a seat belt. You just have to accept the risk of a fine.

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Go down that road and you have to consider motorcycle riding (or any other "risky" behavior) in the same light and ban that as well.

Levels of acceptable risk, versus public acceptance. There is no way to make everyone completely safe.

**nzspokes** · 25th March 2016, 06:43

Originally Posted by awayatc

House?

please explain......

New H&S laws, epic fines for reckless disregard. Like refusing to wear PPE.

**nzspokes** · 25th March 2016, 06:45

Originally Posted by Drew

You still have the right to not wear a seat belt. You just have to accept the risk of a fine.

Levels of acceptable risk, versus public acceptance. There is no way to make everyone completely safe.

Bit more of a risk than a fine. Many years ago I helped remove a guys head from a gear stick who thought it was a good idea not to wear a seatbelt.

**swbarnett** · 25th March 2016, 07:23

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Stuck in the dark ages much?

No. I just believe in education, not legislation.

**swbarnett** · 25th March 2016, 07:28

Originally Posted by Drew

There is no way to make everyone completely safe.

Exactly. Therefore, my body, my risk, my decision. By all means feel free to try and make that decision an educated one.

I have absolutely no problem with prescribed guidelines re PPE. Just don't believe you have the right to decide what level of risk is right for me.

**swbarnett** · 25th March 2016, 07:31

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Bit more of a risk than a fine. Many years ago I helped remove a guys head from a gear stick who thought it was a good idea not to wear a seatbelt.

Which is why I choose to wear PPE. My choice. Not that of some beaurocrat that doesn't know me from a bar of soap.

**nzspokes** · 25th March 2016, 07:33

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Exactly. Therefore, my body, my risk, my decision. By all means feel free to try and make that decision an educated one.

I have absolutely no problem with prescribed guidelines re PPE. Just don't believe you have the right to decide what level of risk is right for me.

Wrong.

Taxpayer has to pay for your medical bills.

**Maha** · 25th March 2016, 07:37

Wellington traffic is just as hideous as any big city, one and a quater hours to get in the Lower Hutt was reported last week while we down there working.

Yesterday it took us 2 hours to get to Okaki from the CBD, with 11khp at time, with one complete stop and wait just north of Paraparaumu. Years of ongoing road works wont help with it getting any better, I think that yesterday though, it was volume. I had no idea what the complete stop was about, wasn't a crash nor road works.