So what's the best super naked currently?

[Drew]

That's interesting. One of the things I remember about earlier Tuono's was how good the front end felt, like holding the front wheel spindle with your hands. It gave me huge confidence, felt like a big Supermoto.

Really, because I never liked the front end on the old RSV. The 99-03 was too slow in the steering. The 04 was nimble, once I learned to brake with one finger because the things were touchy as fuck.

[Gremlin]

Euro's get the naked thing - full snot without the plastic, the Japanese makers 'retune' (one cannot say detune as the marketign team will not permit it) their full snot engines for nakeds.

HOWEVER

Given the nakeds are purchased for road use is a retune from top end to midrange a bad thing? No it it retains some interest - yes if it results in a bit of blandness.

Disagreed, it's in the delivery. I had a 990SM and the CB919 at the same time. On paper very similar HP (a "lowly" 115 ish), but very different in real life. The CB delivered it higher up (leftover traits from the Fireblade) but still had excellent low down torque. The SM delivers the whole lot *at least what felt like it* all at once right off the bottom of the tach. Loft the front wheel at 15kph with no effort, also power wheelie in 3rd... all from 115hp.

I don't want an HP race, and 120hp is more than enough... (at least when it's done right)

[nzspokes]

Disagreed, it's in the delivery. I had a 990SM and the CB919 at the same time. On paper very similar HP (a "lowly" 115 ish), but very different in real life. The CB delivered it higher up (leftover traits from the Fireblade) but still had excellent low down torque. The SM delivers the whole lot *at least what felt like it* all at once right off the bottom of the tach. Loft the front wheel at 15kph with no effort, also power wheelie in 3rd... all from 115hp.

I don't want an HP race, and 120hp is more than enough... (at least when it's done right)

Keep going like that and i will stick with just me ole VTR. To be fair to it, she went bloody well today.

Im only looking at a new bike for the Safety features....

[Madness]

Im only looking at a new bike for the Safety features....

Cheaper to buy bulk hi viz.

[nzspokes]

Cheaper to buy bulk hi viz.

Its Italian, so the bike will be Hi Viz. I dont need to do a road cone impression to match.

[nzspokes]

I'm not sure you could call the 1290 bland.

For decades there's been one main thing that's sold sportsbikes: the number on the brochure under the heading: Horsepower.

And the pursuit of ever higher hp numbers at the cost of pretty much everything else has generated engines that aren't all that useful for road use. In some cases I'd question whether they're actually fit for purpose outside of a racetrack.

Frankly, if dumping the myth that hp is the be-all and end-all for bike engines results in engines that are simply better for road use then by all means lower hp numbers.

If you really think you need 200hp by all means go for it, but if you're looking to get that from a normally aspirated 1000cc at 15000rpm then don't expect it to be delivered without serious compromises.

Interestingly was doing some reading last night. A dyno op found on a pull on the BMW S1000r the butterflys closed a bit at full throttle above 9k rpm. He is seeing that as a way BMW limited the HP on this motor. He is trying to overwrite that part of the program apparently.

Im glad they are not trying this on my motor I must say.

[roogazza]

Here's my project if the GSXS is a disappointment ???

Handlebar kit at the least ,maybe a full fighter jobbie if I can be bothered.

[Ocean1]

Interestingly was doing some reading last night. A dyno op found on a pull on the BMW S1000r the butterflys closed a bit at full throttle above 9k rpm. He is seeing that as a way BMW limited the HP on this motor. He is trying to overwrite that part of the program apparently.

Im glad they are not trying this on my motor I must say.

If there's one thing I've learned about fluid dynamics it's that nothing is obvious, everything affects everything else and most of your guesses will be wrong.

It's quite likely that more flow is achieved beyond those revs with the throttle not quite fully open. Especially if the rest of the system is designed for resonant frequencies aimed at max filling around 9k.

[Drew]

Here's my project if the GSXS is a disappointment ???

Handlebar kit at the least ,maybe a full fighter jobbie if I can be bothered.

Just buy another early bandit. That thing suited you to the ground.

[nzspokes]

If there's one thing I've learned about fluid dynamics it's that nothing is obvious, everything affects everything else and most of your guesses will be wrong.

It's quite likely that more flow is achieved beyond those revs with the throttle not quite fully open. Especially if the rest of the system is designed for resonant frequencies aimed at max filling around 9k.

Which why I dont want them to try it on my motor.....

[roogazza]

Just buy another early bandit. That thing suited you to the ground.

Probably dead right Drew, I still have all the bits to make another. Trouble is all the 1st series bandits are getting old and fucked now.(like me ?).

[nzspokes]

Probably dead right Drew, I still have all the bits to make another. Trouble is all the 1st series bandits are getting old and fucked now.(like me ?).

Im selling a K4 1200, next best thing?

I prefer the Gixxer idea myself.

[Drew]

Probably dead right Drew, I still have all the bits to make another. Trouble is all the 1st series bandits are getting old and fucked now.(like me ?).

Nah man. $4k gets a real good one owned by some pensioner since new that's never been raped.

Oh, sorry mate. Yours definitely had been raped though.

Trick is to buy one that the guy never put the free two brothers pipe on. They have traveled the distance of the globe five times, but they're mint.

[AllanB]

Which why I dont want them to try it on my motor.....

You need to buy one first to stuff it up.

Man-up and make a purchase - all the bikes you've looked at a too much for road use and handle fantastically and brake amazingly. Picking a colour should be the hardest part.

[nzspokes]

Man-up and make a purchase

I has to wait a while. But fun talking about bikes on here for a change.

Speaking of which I was chatting with an SDR owner today. He said the 100k + wheelies were fun.