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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Come to the Cliffhanger next year, see how that works out for ya.
    Hadn't you noticed that I don't do my own riding these days?
    I'd rather leave it to someone that has the required reaction time for the task at hand.
    People over 50 shouldn't kid themselves that they still have the goods, it declines a little & you need to recognise this. Notice the ages of both these gentlemen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    It's a 200+k bend. Back one gear from the limiter in top and pin it through the turn.
    Is it this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    Is it this one?
    Nope. Wrong road I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Hadn't you noticed that I don't do my own riding these days?
    I'd rather leave it to someone that has the required reaction time for the task at hand.
    People over 50 shouldn't kid themselves that they still have the goods, it declines a little & you need to recognise this. Notice the ages of both these gentlemen?
    Bring the chair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    During the last three plus decades I have been around road racing, I have observed that most fatalities have occurred in the last third of the field.
    This is generally true in my experience too. Guys who are trying just that little harder than they should.

    More amusingly, it's this segment of the field where most of the cheating occurs also....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    While wharfy was inarguably a top bloke, it had never occurred to me that he was "very expierenced" he was more an enthusiastic novice. Not knocking him, just that the coroner probably should not have been shielded from the truth.
    Can't/won't comment on the other fella, as I have no recollection of ever meeting him or observing his skill level.
    compared to some of the other competitors who rode that and only that event, there wharfy had done a lot of riding, he was never going to win anything these days though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Neither of them were hard chargers. They were both pretty slow.
    hope you'll be able to ride as fast as them at their ages Drewpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Hadn't you noticed that I don't do my own riding these days?
    I'd rather leave it to someone that has the required reaction time for the task at hand.
    People over 50 shouldn't kid themselves that they still have the goods, it declines a little & you need to recognise this. Notice the ages of both these gentlemen?
    lucky, i am only 49

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Neither were fast riders. I'll never understand how they crashed o that corner.

    What the fuck is Tuckerman chiming in for? Vacant old cunt has never had anything to do with the Cliffhanger, aND isn't even an MNZ official as far as I know.
    Which is likely why he is chiming in.
    The angle will likely be clearly dangerous (as MNZ doesn't get any permit money in coffers from the event.)
    They will overlook their own not so perfect safety record, plus the fact that motorsport is inherently dangerous.
    All the competitors know and accept this prior to riding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    hope you'll be able to ride as fast as them at their ages Drewpy.
    They were both well older than I am now, when they started racing.

    I wasn't having a dig at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Neither of them were hard chargers. They were both pretty slow.
    When their skill level is being discussed in court it's compared to the average person, not the average racer.

    Unless the cop was an experienced racer he would be completely out of his depth giving evidence on that, if he isn't already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    When their skill level is being discussed in court it's compared to the average person, not the average racer.

    Unless the cop was an experienced racer he would be completely out of his depth giving evidence on that, if he isn't already.
    Yeah, I suppose you're right.

    It's pretty far from ideal, that the person correlating the investigation isn't getting the right information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Unless the cop was an experienced racer he would be completely out of his depth giving evidence on that, if he isn't already.
    If you attend one of those courts you can dispute what they're saying
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by racer40 View Post
    lucky, i am only 49
    You're the only one that doesn't know you're past it.

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    More marshalls, more safety, more control over whose on track?

    What is this garbage.

    It's a bloodey road course, if i enter it and go write myself off they should be throwing me in the coroners van and going ahh well he knew the risk of the event.

    End of.

    It's as simple as that.
    To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.

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