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**Voltaire** · 11th September 2016, 18:16

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

is this like the special olympics where the japs get a handicap?, the yanks did in 1910 vincent in the forties, one assembly two springs but still a mono unit, in paralell and yamaha in 1975
as for perimeter frames, a mate in fielding has a 1930's coventry eagle with that design

Don't forget disc brakes, 1923 ...but Thrurrockfrogmorton probably did it earlier.

**husaberg** · 11th September 2016, 18:17

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

there were many, some may have used two shocks in parallel, but effectivly a monoshock set up, matchless silver hawks and arrows are late twenties oh didn't John Britten use them too?

If only he had used the Neracars centerhub.

Not to mention Sun had disk valves 30 or so years before Zimmerman and Kaaden discovered them with the MZ's

**Voltaire** · 11th September 2016, 19:07

Originally Posted by husaberg

If only he had used the Neracars centerhub.

Not to mention Sun had disk valves 30 or so years before Zimmerman and Kaaden discovered them with the MZ's

Were they getting 200 HP per litre like MZ?

2 stokes changed forever once Degner gave the designs to Suzuki.

I was caging to work on Friday and a RD summit was sitting at the lights, wound the window down, the smell took me back to Eastern Europe in '89...ah Trabants, MZ's and Wartburgs

**husaberg** · 11th September 2016, 19:18

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Were they getting 200 HP per litre like MZ?

2 stokes changed forever once Degner gave the designs to Suzuki.

I was caging to work on Friday and a RD summit was sitting at the lights, wound the window down, the smell took me back to Eastern Europe in '89...ah Trabants, MZ's and Wartburgs

No but they were finishing races.
To be sure the japanese had the edge in R&D spending and metallurgy.

**Grumph** · 11th September 2016, 19:48

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Don't forget disc brakes, 1923 ...but Thrurrockfrogmorton probably did it earlier.

RA Douglas The old man's first speedway iron was a converted RA. He reckoned it was the only good use for that model as the brakes were crap....

**jellywrestler** · 11th September 2016, 19:52

Originally Posted by Grumph

RA Douglas The old man's first speedway iron was a converted RA. He reckoned it was the only good use for that model as the brakes were crap....

you've got a father, I always thought you were quarried.

**ural** · 11th September 2016, 19:57

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...1160020876.htm

like did they mistyped the first digit? it should be 1.. even then it's still not a great deal

**pritch** · 11th September 2016, 20:30

Originally Posted by husaberg

To be sure the japanese had the edge in R&D spending and metallurgy.

The R&D and metallurgy remarks apply to Honda but not so much to Suzuki.

If you read Hugh Anderson's book it will be apparent that any "edge" Suzuki had was microscopically thin. While the other riders were out smoking, drinking, and dining up large, Anderson was in the garage until late with his mechanic working on his bikes. He was removing high spots from the bores and changing gear ratios from those stipulated by the factory to what he thought they should be.

The other riders decided therefore that the greater speed and reliabilty of his bikes was due to favouritism on the part of the factory toward Anderson.

Maybe, maybe not.

**husaberg** · 11th September 2016, 21:23

Originally Posted by pritch

The R&D and metallurgy remarks apply to Honda but not so much to Suzuki.

If you read Hugh Anderson's book it will be apparent that any "edge" Suzuki had was microscopically thin. While the other riders were out smoking, drinking, and dining up large, Anderson was in the garage until late with his mechanic working on his bikes. He was removing high spots from the bores and changing gear ratios from those stipulated by the factory to what he thought they should be.

The other riders decided therefore that the greater speed and reliabilty of his bikes was due to favouritism on the part of the factory toward Anderson.

Maybe, maybe not.

Not as good as Hondas maybe, but it was still miles better than the east Germans, for instance Kaaden couldn't get decent plugs or ignition he had to trade MZ brakes for old Norton roadholder forks, he used to get these from Francis Beart and sneak them through the boarder up his Trousers.

**jellywrestler** · 11th September 2016, 21:41

Originally Posted by pritch

The R&D and metallurgy remarks apply to Honda but not so much to Suzuki.

If you read Hugh Anderson's book it will be apparent that any "edge" Suzuki had was microscopically thin. While the other riders were out smoking, drinking, and dining up large, Anderson was in the garage until late with his mechanic working on his bikes. He was removing high spots from the bores and changing gear ratios from those stipulated by the factory to what he thought they should be.

The other riders decided therefore that the greater speed and reliabilty of his bikes was due to favouritism on the part of the factory toward Anderson.

Maybe, maybe not.

hugh used to let them pump the tyres up, wheel it round,the side of the tent and let a couple of psi out, ermember too, he wasn't carrying any weight as such, but stood a foot or so taller than the other riders on those little 50's and 125's so imagine if the weight thing was even, he'd have been a step above them all, or moreso