New to riding

[granstar]

Cut teeth on a CB 175 Honda great wee bike (so good I blew it up,they die eventually, and bought a second one) lol

Are unmodified Harleys LAMs approved ?

[rastuscat]

Cut teeth on a CB 175 Honda great wee bike (so good I blew it up,they die eventually, and bought a second one) lol

Are unmodified Harleys LAMs approved ?

Two Harleys are LAMS approved.

The XG500 Street and a classic 350 from back in the day.

I've met a few who have heard that a small Harley is okay on a learners, and they think this includes the 883. Nope.

[WristTwister]

Two Harleys are LAMS approved.

The XG500 Street and a classic 350 from back in the day.

I've met a few who have heard that a small Harley is okay on a learners, and they think this includes the 883. Nope.

This makes me wonder how new riders in the USA get on with learning on litre bikes and bigger bikes like Harleys.

[Akzle]

This makes me wonder how new riders in the USA get on with learning on litre bikes and bigger bikes like Harleys.

how do you think?

[WristTwister]

how do you think?

Something like this?

[GTRMAN]

if you read the rules for lams bikes, once a bike has been altered it is no longer lams approved.

if you are learning to ride then get a bike that is un altered.
i know people who have traveled auckland to invercargil on a GN but not a bobber

Wrong. A 250 is LAMS approved whether modified or not unless it is on the forbidden list

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[Akzle]

Wrong. A 250 is LAMS approved whether modified or not unless it is on the forbidden list

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wrong. a 250 on the lams list becomes non-approved if it is modified in a manner than will increase it's power to weight ratio.

[Pound]

wrong. a 250 on the lams list becomes non-approved if it is modified in a manner than will increase it's power to weight ratio.

Correct.


From NZTA.govt.


"Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list."

[GTRMAN]

If it's over 250cc. Try reading the full information

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[onearmedbandit]

If it's over 250cc. Try reading the full information

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From the NZTA's page...

If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

If you are a rider on a learner or restricted motorcycle licence, it is your responsibility to ensure you are riding a LAMS-approved motorcycle, as produced by the manufacturer. If in doubt, seek confirmation from the manufacturer's agent or dealership. If you are unsure who to contact, details for all major motorcycle importers are available on the Motor Industry Association website (external link) .

If you don't follow these rules you may end up with fines and demerit points.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licen...orcycles/lams/

Nothing about the modification rule only being applied to bikes over 250cc. If you have something to show otherwise please share with us.

[Taxythingy]

To add the relevant bit of legislation, Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Amendment Rule 2011:

6(1)(c):
approved motorcycle means the make and model of any motorcycle that—
(a) has an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless the Agency has prohibited the use of that make and model of motorcycle by notice published on the Agency's Internet site; or
(b) has an engine capacity of more than 250 cc but not more than 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 150 kilowatts per tonne and is approved for use by the Agency by notice published on the Agency's Internet site

So what's written on LTNZ's website is "The List". And if you modify the power to weight, either up OR down, it isn't approved. Which, in principle, means that adding heated grips, bark busters, larger windscreen, tail tidy are all not approved. A case could be made against sticking different tyres on the bike.

A 6L or 6R rider can be charged either for riding a particular bike that is outside the restrictions (e.g. Hayabusa), which is an easy win, or for the technicality that the bike is modified, which will come down to what kind of modification was made. More powerful engine, new exhaust system or a big weight loss job are all likely out, even if still under the power-to-weight limit, while different tyres, heated grips, or a replacement windscreen would be very unlikely to be considered, let alone get to a court room. Note the conditional case, which I've highlighted, before jumping up and down. It depends on your lawyer, their lawyer and the judge.

[Akzle]

If it's over 250cc. Try reading the full information

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i did.

did you?


(you can trust me on this bro. i argue shit with lawyers.)

[Madness]

wrong. a 250 on the lams list becomes non-approved if it is modified in a manner than will increase it's power to weight ratio.

I thought the only 250cc bikes listed on any LAMS list were the ones that were banned with the introduction of the LAMS rules, all other 250cc bikes aren't "listed" because they were already legal anyway. Like a cop's going to give a fuck anyway.

[Pound]

Like a cop's going to give a fuck anyway.

Pretty much sums it up right there.

I took my CBTA full on a Ninja 300 with a full carbon Yoshi exhaust with the baffle out (Loud asf) and my instructor (karel pavich) did not give a rats ass.

[Madness]

Pretty much sums it up right there.

In future, if there's any disagreement on anything on KB prhaps we just ask Skiddy for a definitive answer?