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[russd7]

Wrong. A 250 is LAMS approved whether modified or not unless it is on the forbidden list

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cool so the nzta website is wrong, pleased to see you obviously know more than the nzta. i will keep that in mind.

although it wasn't obvious, i did cut and paste straight from the nzta website.

[rastuscat]

Here's my take on it. Based on a lot of years of reading legislation.

A 250 is approved unless it is on the prohibited list. 250s are not subject to the 150 watts per tonne list, so modifying them is inconsequential.

Anything bigger than a 250 is only approved if it is on the list, and hasn't had its power increased or weight lowered.

Heated grips make fuck all difference, so I can't see even the Nazi-est examiner taking issue.

Just.my thoughts.

[Akzle]

A 250 is approved unless it is on the prohibited list.

250s are not subject to the 150 watts per tonne list,

so ehh uhh. why dem prohibited list bro?

try reading it liek this: "(b) has an engine capacity of more than 250 cc but not more than 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 150 kilowatts per tonne and is approved for use by the Agency by notice published on the Agency's Internet site"

If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

[Taxythingy]

That's probably fair Rastus. NZTA's "any motorcycle that is modified..." isn't in the legislation and the 250s don't need their specific approval, unlike the bigger bikes.

My comment about grips, etc, was only that it could be applied. I can't see anyone trying to do it.

Having said that, there are enough cases of legislation being applied well outside their intent, that I wouldn't rule out someone waving it around. Actioning it here, no.

[Taxythingy]

so ehh uhh. why dem prohibited list bro?

Cos it would have made the Optimistic Sellers thread even longer?

[Madness]

When the LAMs rules came in I must have been pretty smashed because I just can't remember anything about the hundreds, if not thousands of 250's that became non learner compliant overnight just because of a pipe or other such power-to-weight enhancing modification. Yeah, nah. All I can remember is that all the 250's on the LAMs-banned list became just that. Even that wasn't a problem because most of those bikes are under a tablecloth in some fat old white guys gargre somewhere.

[Madness]

If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

Thank fuck they're not allowed to restrict them or carry heavy weights!

[Akzle]

Thank fuck they're not allowed to restrict them or carry heavy weights!

it's the letter of "the law" and, as per usual, the "law" is an ass.

exclusio unius and shit.

[Madness]

it's the letter of "the law" and, as per usual, the "law" is an ass.

You're interpreting it wrong bro. You may argue with Lawyers but rooting a ho doesn't make you a good root.

exclusio unius and shit.

Naenae College, speak English caaaant.

[Akzle]

You're interpreting it wrong bro.

it's actually fairly explicitly written.

Naenae College, speak English caaaant.

it's jewspeak. ask a lawyerjew.