From bad to worse?

[Paul in NZ]

The problem is the divisive damage to New Zealand's social fabric is done. There will be a growing pool of have-nots with little access to higher education and housing and a huge bunch of old people moving in with their kids within the next 20 years.

And an equally huge bunch of kids moving in with their parents...

[Grumph]

And an equally huge bunch of kids moving in with their parents...

Beat me to it...

At least the left is able to recognise the income inequality where National are still denying it's seriousness.
On much the same line, it'll be interesting to see if they change their party policy on the retirement age.
Key maintained publicly that it was him stopping any change....

[TheDemonLord]

you old white cunts carry on like it matters? you cant truly believe that if they (politicos) dropped dead tomorrow, that everything would decay into cannabalism and anarchy, can you?

do you feel like your "vote" has any effect on inivietabiltiy?

do you feel that the main puppet actually has any affect on anything (asides from who moans on internets)?

i mean really. most of you have endured multiple decades of this farce, and you still give it the time of day?

South Africa.

[george formby]

do you feel like your "vote" has any effect on inivietabiltiy?

Only if it has increased the number "i's" in the alphabet, which may well be true.

[mashman]

you old white cunts carry on like it matters? you cant truly believe that if they (politicos) dropped dead tomorrow, that everything would decay into cannabalism and anarchy, can you?

do you feel like your "vote" has any effect on inivietabiltiy?

do you feel that the main puppet actually has any affect on anything (asides from who moans on internets)?

i mean really. most of you have endured multiple decades of this farce, and you still give it the time of day?

“If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all ‘part of the plan’. But when I say that one little old MP has resigned, well then everyone loses their minds!”

[Akzle]

South Africa.

inevitability

[Ocean1]

Andrew Little isn't an electable leader of the Labour Party. The Labour Party has a couple of steps to go before they'll have anything like a majority vote. In the meantime they'll be a coalition partner, at best the leading party in a coalition partnership.


Paula Bennett has been very quiet for a long time. I suspect she is more likely to end up PM than English or Collins, and that this decision was made some time ago.


In terms of nailing my flag to mast, there isn't a mast or a flag that suits. There isn't a party planning for the adoption of a minimum basic income or shift from Primary Produce to "something else" whatever it may be. There's no one opposing the neo-con/neo-liberal adherence to broken capitalist maxims, there's no one planning to improve the bulk of New Zealand's population's living standards.


So I have absolutley no hesitation in saying that it is a good thing that he is gone. The problem is the divisive damage to New Zealand's social fabric is done. There will be a growing pool of have-nots with little access to higher education and housing and a huge bunch of old people moving in with their kids within the next 20 years.

There's 4 million of us, exactly how well tailored to you in particular do you expect that mast or flag to be?

I see he's coping flack from Don Brash for having done not much of any substance, but that's the main feature of his success: don't alienate too many minorities or those at the ends of the spectrum.

There's a lot that's laid at government's feet that doesn't actually belong there, and the political impossibility of disavowing responsibility for those and the subsequent failure to address them eventually accumulates some baggage. He should have moved earlier on house price increases, but there's a decade of hysteresis for any intervention there, and no solution that wouldn't have been unpopular with many, (see above).

And then, who the fuck would want the job, really? The quantity of vitriolic negativity from those minorities is hugely corrosive, and getting more so as the internet destroys any trace of truth or rational debate.

Which sorta points to off-shore, (impartial) evaluations of his performance as being probably more reliable, and most overseas commentators see him as having done very well.

[James Deuce]

I understand your points completely, however there are 4.7 million of us and a sizable majority of eligible voters don't vote. That can point to either there being a chunk of the population who have no potential representation or that a chunk of the population are not voting because there will be no material change to their personal outcome irrespective of the Government voted in. I suspect the latter. I think young people and the growing body of "elderly" people are bearing an unfair amount of the PR burden of shame for being, lazy, feckless, and economically incompetent. The goal posts have shifted so radically for those parts of society that they may as well be on another planet, and the changes have happened so quickly there was no preparing for it.

From a personal perspective, I have no representation available that provides a rational platform for a cross-society view of issues and the application of solutions. No one has the balls to unbundle and rebuild critical National infrastructure at either a physicalor intellectual level. I don't advocate for further tailoring at all. The current burden of legislation that covers Governance has turned into an unworkable mess that is burdening people and businesses. I'd like to see less granular involvement in people's lives and a far more innovative approach to providing people with an income that allows them to contribute to society instead of leeching the life out of it.

There's a lot of noise about automation and job loss at the moment. My job will be gone within the next decade, if the automation processes I suspect are imminent are implemented. It's a real concern for anyone working in an office. Most admin, legislative and diagnostic/analytical outcomes fall within a heuristic framework that can be documented and manipulated by relatively unsophisticated AI that almost meet the Turing Test parameters. I think it is irresponsible of any "Western" Government/Democracy to not be applying the lessons learned from when mass production jobs vanished in a wave of automation to the wave of middle/creative class jobs about to quietly vanish in an AI mediated wave of comprehensive change. If we do it right, we end up with an innovative growing economy. If we do it wrong we end up with a small "overclass" people supporting 4.7 million people in perpetual welfare misery. The latest round of large earthquakes demonstrated how Cloud technology has quietly revolutionised IT DR and Business Continuity. BUildings were shut,people stayed home, but businesses who had adopted cloud tech, remained operational and profitable.

[trufflebutter]

Naturally Bill English will be voted PM by the caucus. Who the hell wants that job at this point? The position of Deputy PM will be the roll that the remaining members will be vying for. Come the next Election when National could possibly become the opposition, and as per previous lost Elections, the Leader of the opposition will be ousted soon after.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You cunts can have Hillary if you want her, apparently she is looking for a job. She comes with Rosie O'Fatarse, Koonyay West and all the other douchbags that said they would move if trump won.

"Koonyay"

.....really?

in 2016?

You're a symptom of the problem.

But hey, at least your God Emperor got elected so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

[Ocean1]

I understand your points completely, however there are 4.7 million of us and a sizable majority of eligible voters don't vote. That can point to either there being a chunk of the population who have no potential representation or that a chunk of the population are not voting because there will be no material change to their personal outcome irrespective of the Government voted in. I suspect the latter. I think young people and the growing body of "elderly" people are bearing an unfair amount of the PR burden of shame for being, lazy, feckless, and economically incompetent. The goal posts have shifted so radically for those parts of society that they may as well be on another planet, and the changes have happened so quickly there was no preparing for it.

From a personal perspective, I have no representation available that provides a rational platform for a cross-society view of issues and the application of solutions. No one has the balls to unbundle and rebuild critical National infrastructure at either a physicalor intellectual level. I don't advocate for further tailoring at all. The current burden of legislation that covers Governance has turned into an unworkable mess that is burdening people and businesses. I'd like to see less granular involvement in people's lives and a far more innovative approach to providing people with an income that allows them to contribute to society instead of leeching the life out of it.

There's a lot of noise about automation and job loss at the moment. My job will be gone within the next decade, if the automation processes I suspect are imminent are implemented. It's a real concern for anyone working in an office. Most admin, legislative and diagnostic/analytical outcomes fall within a heuristic framework that can be documented and manipulated by relatively unsophisticated AI that almost meet the Turing Test parameters. I think it is irresponsible of any "Western" Government/Democracy to not be applying the lessons learned from when mass production jobs vanished in a wave of automation to the wave of middle/creative class jobs about to quietly vanish in an AI mediated wave of comprehensive change. If we do it right, we end up with an innovative growing economy. If we do it wrong we end up with a small "overclass" people supporting 4.7 million people in perpetual welfare misery. The latest round of large earthquakes demonstrated how Cloud technology has quietly revolutionised IT DR and Business Continuity. BUildings were shut,people stayed home, but businesses who had adopted cloud tech, remained operational and profitable.

A majority don't vote? I thought 3/4 did... http://www.elections.org.nz/events/2...-voter-turnout
You can say those that don't are disenfranchised, but I'd suggest they're mostly just ambivalent. The fact that 99.999% of those non voters don't avail themselves of any of the many opportunities to stick their own hand up for representation of a different shape themselves tends to support that.

Yeah, but even those who's personal understanding of howshitworks aligns well with a particular party have huge holes in their preferred options for many issues. And I don't think it's that nobody has the balls, it's just that the majority of voters wouldn't accept the associated costs, so you never see election promises based on "let's focus on the physical and organisational infrastructure". That resulting unworkable mess is simply the shape of the majority's preferences on the full suite of issues. You can't blame them for not having the insight to understand the effects of each policy on the others. A few have a vague idea what effect policy changes will have within the area they relate to, but that's it. I'd blame politicians for not being the leaders that might present comprehensive analysis of that shit to voters, but the fact is since about the time TVs became common bullshit has been more powerful than intelligent discourse. Maybe let's set up a permanent, web based binding referendum platform and see how that works...

Yeah. Blame me too, I make shit that costs jobs. But inter-generational stability in professional options was last seen about James Watt's time, individual lifespan career options stopped being a thing about the time I got my first job. There has always been those who choose not to change careers when they need to, and as technology moves faster the number of people not actively and continuously learning new shit is increasing. Yes there needs to be a "ministry of job training and placement", but you can only teach so many dogs to new water. At what point does it become the responsibility of the individual to choose something other than multiple redundancy?

Oh, and when they sling your arse out of your nice warm office you can come set up my cloud accounting app for me.

[Akzle]

"Koonyay"

.....really?

in 2016?

You're a symptom of the problem.

But hey, at least your God Emperor got elected so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

be fair. he is does some pretty coon shit. i actively avoid MSM and still manage to hear about his coonery.
not that there isnt plenty of light-skindeds doing coonery too... it's in vogue.

[jasonu]

"Koonyay"

.....really?

in 2016?

You're a symptom of the problem.

But hey, at least your God Emperor got elected so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

Sorry I forgot you lot dote on him and his fat arse ho. Every time I look at the Herald he's in the headlines doing or saying some sort of jigaboo crap.

[PrincessBandit]

I understand your points completely, however there are 4.7 million of us and a sizable majority of eligible voters don't vote. That can point to either there being a chunk of the population who have no potential representation or that a chunk of the population are not voting because there will be no material change to their personal outcome irrespective of the Government voted in. I suspect the latter...



...There's a lot of noise about automation and job loss at the moment. My job will be gone within the next decade, if the automation processes I suspect are imminent are implemented....

First part of quote: holy crap, that sounds just like the US elections!!!

Second part of quote: at our year 9 and 10 prizegivings today our principal showed a video clip titled "Did you know that in 2028..." Don't know what authentication there is for some of the stuff in it, but commonsense yells that even if it's not "in the year 2028, 2028" (a la Zager and Evans) much of this is going to be inevitable. Scary that as teachers we are preparing students for work forces and careers which will be radically different from the status quo of the last few decades.

[Blackbird]

Scary that as teachers we are preparing students for work forces and careers which will be radically different from the status quo of the last few decades.

The rate of change may pick up a bit but certainly in the technical world, a fast rate of change and people having to adapt has been with us for at least 50 years. I don't really want to sound like an old fart (I'm a retired old fart ) but when I started engineering school, it was slide rules, then punch cards taken to the IBM mainframe, then PC's and a whole new world of engineering technology. I moved into something entirely new at 50. The point I'm making is teaching kids how to think and adapt becomes increasingly important. From personal experience, it isn't anywhere as scary as I might have imagined and life was a whole lot more interesting.