NOT GOOD, Worst deaths in 19 years

[george formby]

Thats good to hear your books have saved you from the dogs. You could have just got lucky too. The technical details of what exactly happened with the dog crash you stated are actually irreleavant with respect to the point I was trying to make with my experience in that sort of accident about things happening sometimes too fast to do anything.

On occasion things do happen too fast to be avoided. I've collected a couple of decent rocks on me scone, flung up by oncoming vehicles. I did have time to react, they got me on the top of the helmet not the visor. Considering my speed and the speed of the rock chucking vehicle, said rock would be doing well over 100kmh over a distance of a few meters.

Thinking about your dog dismount, you either rode into it or it ran into you.

In the second scenario, a dog blind siding you and knocking your front wheel out would give very little reaction time. Apparently we can register and react to something in a 3rd of a second, that reaction may not be enough to save our bacon but we can make a decision and respond in that short time. Having a dog run up from behind and collect you would be a bastard thing.

In the first scenario, a dog running out ahead of you, in sight, I have to consider the width of the road, the speed of the motorcycle and the speed of the dog. I should also consider our evolutionary trait of noticing movement almost instantly. The only dog I can think of that could get from the roadside to the bikes position on the road in a 3rd of a second or so would be a whippet with a rocket up it's arse. In this scenario if you believe that their was no time to react at all then you could not have seen the dog until you hit it. You may well have been frozen and fixated by the sight of a whippet with a rocket up it's arse, I guess I would be, too.

I'm with Axolotl and have already posted that I would love to see the result of a days assessment with you. Even in your own words.

[Blackbird]

I'm with Axolotl and have already posted that I would love to see the result of a days assessment with you. Even in your own words.

IAM does a full initial assessment covering motorway, town and country environments at no charge and there's a branch in Chch but given cassina's marathon past Roadcraft rant, hell is likely to freeze over first

[AllanB]

At a guess the average street is 5 to 6m wide. A dog side on would be no more than 1m wide and a motorcycle about 800mm wide.

Look at it that way and its not easy to hit the dog unless you have target fixation.

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From my experience with dozens of dogs running at my bikes yapping away over the years, you'd really need to focus on actually hitting one! Ride on - ignore the fucker, everyone has backed off or run out of steam in the chase.

I did once have a cat go through one side of a front wheel and out the other in a maelstrom of fur late one evening.

Never fell off though.

[ellipsis]

You are the ignorant one as you have never seen me ride plus where have I ever stated on here I have crashed into other vehicles as a result of my own fault sport?

...reread my post you thick ignorant cunt...then reread it again ...you thick ignorant cunt...

[nzspokes]

You assumption appears to be that the dog I hit was standing in the middle of the road which was not the case at all as it was running very fast so even if I wanted to target fixate on it there would just be no time.

Dogs do not run that fast. I did not mention which part of the road or footpath you hit it on.

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[KawasakiKid]

The dog ran across the road into me if you want to know the technical detail. Some on here appear to think I am the only person to have ever hit an amimal on the road which is far from the case if you look up info on it. Some people hit far bigger animals than I have like cows and horses. I suppose many on here would say they should not be driving if they can not see a cow or a horse on the road.

I crashed about 40 years ago when a dog ran out on the road. I was 'practicing' for a road race the upcoming weekend and was at 100% + in the turn. I avoided the dog but ended up crashing anyway. I wonder if I was at fault, or maybe it was the GOD (dog)

[pritch]

IAM does a full initial assessment covering motorway, town and country environments at no charge and there's a branch in Chch but given cassina's marathon past Roadcraft rant, hell is likely to freeze over first

Aaaah the famous pet food saga? That was when she went on ignore. The first time?

[Blackbird]

Aaaah the famous pet food saga? That was when she went on ignore. The first time?

That's the one Ron

Likewise . Morbid fascination made me look what was being said on this thread. There was no temptation to un-ignore one or two others and I really wish I'd resisted temptation in this case

[Luckylegs]

It could be said maybe that as you were practising for a race you were going too fast to successfuly get around it. Going even faster or slower could have seen you avoid it too. I would not say you were at fault but some on here who have never been in such a situation would say you were.

zero four fuck sake.... NO WORDS, Just no words!!!

[AllanB]

Another down today in the South Island ........ stats are not looking good.


No mention of a dog being involved - unless it was driving a car.

[Akzle]

You could have just got lucky too.

most people don't rely on luck not to ride in to shit.

with my experience in that sort of accident about things happening sometimes too fast to do anything.

and his point made an incredible woosh as it went straight over your head.

You are the ignorant one as you have never seen me ride

my offer is still up. you seem to be ignoring me now.
i will pay to have you publicly assessed.

In the first scenario, a dog running out ahead of you, in sight, I have to consider the width of the road, the speed of the motorcycle and the speed of the dog.

well i can guess with some confidence the motorcycle was slow and in the left hand wheel track

I should also consider our evolutionary trait of noticing movement almost instantly.

i don't think evolution applies to this one...

[FJRider]

You assumption appears to be that the dog I hit was standing in the middle of the road which was not the case at all as it was running very fast so even if I wanted to target fixate on it there would just be no time.

If I saw you coming ... I'd be running bloody fast too. A road is not safe place to be when you're on it ...

[Akzle]

You are the ignorant one as you have never seen me ride plus where have I ever stated on here I have crashed into other vehicles as a result of my own fault sport?

weeeellllll, given how MUCH shit you've crashed into, whose fault is it? or just bad luck?

[Paul in NZ]

Mr Mark Gilbert had this to say....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...orcycle-riding

There are some interesting numbers in there...

[James Deuce]

Mr Mark Gilbert had this to say....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...orcycle-riding

There are some interesting numbers in there...

I don't put the bike in "storage", I ride all year round and while there have always been ways that I could have avoided accidents I've been involved in, I've NEVER had a single vehicle accident while riding a motorcycle, except on the race track and that one time on a diesel slick on the takas that the car following me also fell off on.

I've contacted the Ride Forever trainers repeatedly and have yet to have a call back or a published course happen on the day I've booked it for. Serves me right for living in the sticks I suppose, but I read constantly and practice low speed handling and braking constantly. I'd like to get involved in Gymkhana but suspect I'd end up the local organiser pretty rapidly.

I've read the UK Police Roadcraft manual a couple of times now and it all makes good sense, but presupposes a level of training and capability for other road users that I just don't see in NZ.

The fundamental issue with NZ roads is the almost complete absence of courtesy and respect for another person's life. The problem is systemic. There seems to be a certain level of accepted road fatalities and no creative long-term strategies for decreasing it below the level that is now pretty much governed by the safety features now built into all new vehicles, including motorcycles, like ABS, Traction Control, and stability control.

Most of the motorcyclists I know take ongoing skills development seriously. I don't believe I've met anyone who drives a car who has read a road code since they got their license, let alone learned new observational and operational skills.

NZ's population has doubled since the early 70s but the overall fatality rate is a third of of what it was then and vehicle ownership rates have trebled and congestion has gone through the roof. Motorcycle accident RATES are 50% of what they were in 1989 and there's approximately the same number of registered motorcycles on the road.

The whole thing is the normal negative media beat up, with no examination of the opposing view that fantastic things have been done, truly AMAZING things (ABS that works at full lean -MAGIC) to improve both the enjoyment and survivability of motoring in general.