The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[husaberg]

Which highlights my questions
If they had a working prototype and which may have had the capacity
Why didn't they use it ?
Because they may have had a better alternative, which may have been the bigger prize that Britain and America knew about
Give Berlin to the Russians etc


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beacuse the leader keep changing his orders on what he wanted
Same as he did with the jet program the fighter had to be modified to be a bomber which wasted a year where it could have been desroying bombers over germany.
That ended up destroying the facories that made the jets and the fuel to fuel them.

[Brian d marge]

Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_277 or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264
Messerschmitt Me 264 prototype flew in 23 December 1942.
the B29 protoype flew until 21 September 1942.
Zee Germans problem was their efforts were chaotic, fragmented and had to account for the ever changing whims of their leader.
They spent far too much money chasing super weapons and trying to exterminate a race of people instead of providing shells and ammunition, decent cold weather equipment and fuel for their conventional forces.


They finished one though it flew for 50 minutes only.

Now I would agree with the chasing of the super weapons , they though a ton of money at strange shyt
And , was it himler and goring went on an Antarctic visit, for what , they hated each other as far as I know
The Americans followed after the war
WTF were they up to ?
I hope we are all wearing our tin hats tonight

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[Voltaire]

Which highlights my questions
If they had a working prototype and which may have had the capacity
Why didn't they use it ?
Because they may have had a better alternative, which may have been the bigger prize that Britain and America knew about
Give Berlin to the Russians etc


sent for a divine source

I recall reading about the German War Effort years ago when I was interested in things that happened 40 years earlier.

From memory there were many companies competing for favour and you ended up with Porsche who was Hitlers favourite car designer having a go at tanks which were pretty useless ( Elefants, Tiger 2's Maus...probably others) and odd aircraft like Blohm and Voss building planes with cockpit on the wing and so on.
Mk4 panzers stayed in production for all of the war, Tigers and Panthers were just a waste of money really.
Can see this happening when US companies start sucking up to Trumph.

[oldrider]

What might a new world order look like if Donald Trump were to rebuild the US Government? - http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-i...e-lies/5569548 Short read.

[Voltaire]

Having businessmen in the US Govt is nothing new, Robert McNamera went from designing the steering wheel for the Ford Falcon to running the Vietnam War, that ended well....
( slightly over simplified this...)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara

Kennedy may be remembered for " I'm a jelly donut" speech in Berlin and the Cuban Missile crisis but the Cubans did not cosy up with the Russians for no reason.
Bay of Pigs does not get much Kennedy Fan play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

Difference these days is dis/misinformation is at your fingertips now, back then the Govt could control the flow of it easier.

[Banditbandit]

K but the Cubans did not cosy up with the Russians for no reason.

The Cubans cosied up to Russia because after the revolution Castro and his mates went to Washington ask for help to rebuild Cuba. Washington told them they would not support Castro's Cuba because they were communists ...

Where did the Cubans go? Russia of course ...

The world would be a little different if Washington had given them aid.

[oldrider]

Having businessmen in the US Govt is nothing new, Robert McNamera went from designing the steering wheel for the Ford Falcon to running the Vietnam War, that ended well....
( slightly over simplified this...)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara

Kennedy may be remembered for " I'm a jelly donut" speech in Berlin and the Cuban Missile crisis but the Cubans did not cosy up with the Russians for no reason.
Bay of Pigs does not get much Kennedy Fan play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

Difference these days is dis/misinformation is at your fingertips now, back then the Govt could control the flow of it easier.

Difference is that most people world wide believed that the USA were the good guys! - Not any more!

Information/disinformation - take your pick - it is now patently obvious that they have been the major shit stirrers in almost every conflict since their inception!

Money - always readily available for war and things of war to which it appears the USA government is besotted and committed.

Will the Trump Presidency make any useful contribution to change for the better? - Only time will answer that question - don't hold your breath!

[pritch]

Difference is that most people world wide believed that the USA were the good guys! - Not any more!

No argument from me.

Following publication of photographs which disproved Trumps absurd claim that his inauguration was the biggest ever, the Whitehouse spokesperson, now known as Baghdad Bob, called a "press conference". There were no questions allowed, it was just an angry lying little rant.

Apparently there has been a saying about the position of Whitehouse spokesperson, "You get to tell one lie in your career, use it wisely."

So the chronically thin skinned President sends his spokesman out to tell lies about a trivial matter on Day 1. Incidentally both of Obama's inauguration crowds were bigger, and so too was the demonstration yesterday.

When questioned about this Kellyanne Conway, another Trump mouthpiece, said they weren't lies, they were "alternate facts". This has taken off bigly, yuge even.
Expect to see lots of references to "alt facts".

[yokel]

"And just like that, we all knew what restrooms to use again"

[yokel]

No argument from me.

Following publication of photographs which disproved Trumps absurd claim that his inauguration was the biggest ever, the Whitehouse spokesperson, now known as Baghdad Bob, called a "press conference". There were no questions allowed, it was just an angry lying little rant.

Apparently there has been a saying about the position of Whitehouse spokesperson, "You get to tell one lie in your career, use it wisely."

So the chronically thin skinned President sends his spokesman out to tell lies about a trivial matter on Day 1. Incidentally both of Obama's inauguration crowds were bigger, and so too was the demonstration yesterday.

When questioned about this Kellyanne Conway, another Trump mouthpiece, said they weren't lies, they were "alternate facts". This has taken off bigly, yuge even.
Expect to see lots of references to "alt facts".

Why the fuck should Trump tolerate those lying media cunts?

It's funny how now crowd size is now a thing compared to when Hillary and Trump were campaigning.

[Banditbandit]

And now Trump's White House has "alternative facts"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts

We are certainly in a 'post-Truth' time ..

[yokel]

And now Trump's White House has "alternative facts"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts

We are certainly in a 'post-Truth' time ..

Nope, it's 'post- ignorance' time.

But not for everyone just yet.

[pritch]

Nope, it's 'post- ignorance' time.

But not for everyone just yet.

Well you may be right about that, but doubtless wrong about who that applies to.

Those photos are the wrong way around, the big crowd was Obama's the half empty streets are Trump's. Baghdad Bob explained the gaps by saying the white material placed on the ground to protect the grass made it look empty. Never mind the stuff is on the road too. He said it was the first time it had ever been used. Another lie.

The woman in the video is full of shit too. You watch some awful rubbish. Go and clean your bike or something...

[yokel]

Well you may be right about that, but doubtless wrong about who that applies to.

Those photos are the wrong way around, the big crowd was Obama's the half empty streets are Trump's. Baghdad Bob explained the gaps by saying the white material placed on the ground to protect the grass made it look empty. Never mind the stuff is on the road too. He said it was the first time it had ever been used. Another lie.

The woman in the video is full of shit too. You watch some awful rubbish. Go and clean your bike or something...

Yeah she's as bad as CNN I guess?

[Banditbandit]

Nope, it's 'post- ignorance' time.

But not for everyone just yet.