New crash study.

[trufflebutter]

Are you "brave enough" to say what the faults were and what the instructor said to correct them on here?

Everything, now I'm just fucking awesome. But from memory (and it was few years ago) it was noted that my slow speed control was lacking/my position on the road while riding needed adjustment/my inability to do a U turn was notable and the use of covering the front brake whilst stopped at set of lights... was brought into question, something about 'bike control if I were to get a tap from behind from another vehicle'? Might have had something to do with me covering the rear brake in that same situation. Like I said it was a while ago so not entirely sure on that last bit.

[george formby]

I will let you know if I find it but I do know I have not thrown it out.
If it does say advanced will you be able to handle the shock of me being an advanced driver according to this school that is still going today about 20 years after I did my lessons?

If the driving school insisted on offering the same training today, you undertook 20 years ago, they would no longer be in business. A lot of things have changed in that time and the training offered is developed to match those changes. That's how education works. Constant improvement through reflection, understanding and results.

If you have made no effort to improve in that time your thinking and ability are at least 20 years behind the times. Just to give you an idea of how much our world has changed in that time, the World Wide Web is about 28 years old, mobile phones only really started to take off in the mid 80's but were still at least a decade from being omnipresent. BMW released a bike with ABS in 1988, Honda in 92. It was startling technology at the time, though not very long ago. The number of vehicles on NZ roads has increased by at least a million since 2000.

You gotta keep up with the times!

[george formby]

You sound like one of those people who get stories in the media occasionally saying that everyone and that will include you should do a practicle test when they renew their licenses. I have yet to read if there has been any govt response to this suggestion do you know?

If you are talking vehicular technology I would definitly fail as neither my bike or car has ABS but it is very much a money thing there as I have read with bikes that have ABS they can cost over $3000 to repair if their ABS packs up due to it being more exposed to the weather than ABS in cars. Updating my car is not an option either to buy an ABS one due to cost as well. I have devised a simple work around due to not having ABS and that is to simply extend my following distances in the wet. I once read a story that there is more crashes from vehicles with ABS as people think having ABS will save them in all emergency braking situations they may find themselves in. Other than increased traffic conjestion nothing road wise has changed from 20 years ago and with increased conjestion you end up with slower moving traffic which I think has resulted in a much lower number of road deaths than there were 20 years ago. Driverless cars will be the next big revolutionary thing but I dont see them being affordable by the masses during the remainder of my driving lifetime. One thing that will shock many on here is that I read recently that motorcycles will become a thing of the past as they will be no longer economic to built and meet the new international emissions regulations of the future. Well we can blame the Greenies for that eh!

I would happily do my test for car and bike this evening and it's pissing down. I've kept up with the law and test requirements, practice my techniques and have mentors. Your right, I'm an advocate of your first suggestion, it would weed out the habitual, thoughtless and dogmatic. Far less so about congestion lowering the road toll. That's a really bizarre bit of conjecture, even for you. I lean towards ABS, airbags and stronger cars. I can think of quite a few things that have changed with our roads in the last 20 years and I don't live anywhere near a fault line. I'm not particularly bothered either, I adapt.

Bikes won't go, they will be electrifying in the future, just like everything else.

Don't live the same year 75 times or so, keep on growing and learning.

Oh, after a brief look I've yet to find a new AT model without ABS.

[Zedder]

Can we just cut out the middle man and just book a funeral director for her instead?

I'm thinking about the danger to other road users and dogs in the meantime.

[Swoop]

...an absolute nutter to fail you for holding on to your brakes at the lights...

Truffle said "covering" not holding onto.
So not menopausal? Just a fucking knob jockey with a lack of comprehension too.

[george formby]

And ability..

[nzspokes]

You sound like one of those people who get stories in the media occasionally saying that everyone and that will include you should do a practicle test when they renew their licenses. I have yet to read if there has been any govt response to this suggestion do you know?

If you are talking vehicular technology I would definitly fail as neither my bike or car has ABS but it is very much a money thing there as I have read with bikes that have ABS they can cost over $3000 to repair if their ABS packs up due to it being more exposed to the weather than ABS in cars. Updating my car is not an option either to buy an ABS one due to cost as well. I have devised a simple work around due to not having ABS and that is to simply extend my following distances in the wet. I once read a story that there is more crashes from vehicles with ABS as people think having ABS will save them in all emergency braking situations they may find themselves in. Other than increased traffic conjestion nothing road wise has changed from 20 years ago and with increased conjestion you end up with slower moving traffic which I think has resulted in a much lower number of road deaths than there were 20 years ago. Driverless cars will be the next big revolutionary thing but I dont see them being affordable by the masses during the remainder of my driving lifetime. One thing that will shock many on here is that I read recently that motorcycles will become a thing of the past as they will be no longer economic to built and meet the new international emissions regulations of the future. Well we can blame the Greenies for that eh!

So ABS is bad as you cant afford it.

[nzspokes]

No not if you spread them out over a 35 year period with the last being about 15 years ago. Remember too they were all the fault of others/animals. Those sort of accidents could happen to any one of us despite what you riding school has taught you.

Ive been driving about the same length of time. Yes you are bad.

[nzspokes]

And ability..

My U turns was one thing I got picked up on, I just never seemed to need to do them. Now I try to do at least one at work everyday. Simples.

[caspernz]

I'm thinking about the danger to other road users and dogs in the meantime.

Hahaha, my thoughts were so much shit and not enough shovels...best I stop there, for if I speak my mind I'll be banned no doubt...

[george formby]

My U turns was one thing I got picked up on, I just never seemed to need to do them. Now I try to do at least one at work everyday. Simples.

Yup, startled me when I was told to do a u turn.... Every time I see a spacious car park now I'm weaving around like a loony. Full lock is still very, very tense. Even worse in the other direction. The TDM is top heavy metal, gotta get that technique right, it's a big dab!

On the bright side I'm ok with changing my line aggressively now should I have to avoid a dog doing the urban speed limit. Bloody greyhounds.

[Swoop]

And ability..

Bugger "ability", I'd pass them for remembering the bloody circuit direction!

I also liked the "how to wheelie a Goldwing" video that came up at the end.

[nzspokes]

No you have just been lucky and I stress the word "been"

Not lucky, I am situationally aware. Im thinking of doing an advanced driving course after my motorcycle one.

[caseye]

No you have just been lucky and I stress the word "been"

How dare you to presume you know anything about anything that encompasses skills upgrading when by your own admission you don't consdier yourself in need of just that!
Go on Fuck off!
Back on ignore guys, girls, please follow suit, lets make it's prediction come true!

[trufflebutter]

To be honest I would fail for the slow speed and U turn handing too but that would be due to the rather large bike I ride rather than ability. I do not see not being able to handle a bike perfectly at low speed a dangerous issue because statistics say that it is high and not low speed riding that causes most motorcycle deaths. If i did have to do a low speed test when I got my license the fact I passed would have been due to the fact my bike was a 125.

You must have been tested by an absolute nutter to fail you for holding on to your brakes at the lights for the simple reason any traffic coming up behind you is better able to see you stopped if you have your brake lights on and indeed when I come up behind cars at the lights many have their brake lights on too. I would have asked the tester how he would have expected you to stop your bike rolling back or forward if you were stopped on a hill/bridge at the lights.

I wasn't failed on anything, there was no test being sat here. The instructor was merely pointing out their interpretation of what they considered I could improve on, as most instructors probably do. It is not the Law. On reflection, I guess the brake thing was more about me having both feet on the ground when stopped......perhaps?