Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[MD]

Good to see I kicked off some debate. Of course when too may join in it turns into a mass-debate session.

I see some blame the quality of our roads, even NZTA (E= engineering) but personally that's all part of the common sense approach DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS. I think our roads are pretty good for a rugged landscape and a small population to fund our infrastructure.

I rode Wgtn to Greymouth on Thursday and back Friday via Nelson. Sometimes it was wet. Sometimes the road was crumbling, lose stones, slips, debris etc. You survive by being aware of your surroundings and riding to the conditions.

The Blenheim-St Arnaud- Murchison route is stuffed beyond recognition thanks to the thousands of overweight trucks forced to use it after the earthquake. It's off the menu for many years for me.

I rode through the town centre of Blenheim which reinforced my opening post that Police MUST focus on piss poor driving habits. It must be some magnetic core problem or atmospheric phenomenon that indicators do not function in Marlborough and drivers have no bloody idea how to navigate at round-a-bouts. But strangely cell phones still seemed to function while driving. None of these observations I made within minutes are hard for the Police to spot.

[eldog]

Riding school can only seriously teach you how to avoid coming to grief as a result of your own actions and not the actions of others.

Unfortunately YOU are not qualified to make a ststement such as this.

Simply not true.

[eldog]

Good to see I kicked off some debate. Of course when too may join in it turns into a mass-debate session.

I see some blame the quality of our roads, even NZTA (E= engineering) but personally that's all part of the common sense approach DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS. I think our roads are pretty good for a rugged landscape and a small population to fund our infrastructure.

I rode Wgtn to Greymouth on Thursday and back Friday via Nelson. Sometimes it was wet. Sometimes the road was crumbling, lose stones, slips, debris etc. You survive by being aware of your surroundings and riding to the conditions.

The Blenheim-St Arnaud- Murchison route is stuffed beyond recognition thanks to the thousands of overweight trucks forced to use it after the earthquake. It's off the menu for many years for me.

I rode through the town centre of Blenheim which reinforced my opening post that Police MUST focus on piss poor driving habits. It must be some magnetic core problem or atmospheric phenomenon that indicators do not function in Marlborough and drivers have no bloody idea how to navigate at round-a-bouts. But strangely cell phones still seemed to function while driving. None of these observations I made within minutes are hard for the Police to spot.

I imagine it's hard to enforce.
And wet bus ticket punishment would cause a backlash.

We need another method to improve driving habits.

And the gubbermint needs to try another avenue regarding road skills

Not just speeding because it easier to measure and enforce.

[Whynot]

I saw a video of two attractive 25 year old Swedish girls kissing each other

I think I saw one like that too, what a coincidence!

[FJRider]

There are some on here who believe that riding school has taught them to be bullet proof though even in situations where others screw up. Riding school can only seriously teach you how to avoid coming to grief as a result of your own actions and not the actions of others.

That IS Bullshit. ANYBODY that has done any of the riding courses ... offered by ANY of the riding schools ... realize very quickly how little they actually know.

Riding schools (and past students of) will not claim future avoidance of ALL accidents ... but a reduction in the severity of those they are involved in. Some possible accidents and incidents can be (and are) avoided by simple observational skills. Skills not so much taught ... but explained in simple terms so even the stupid can understand and remember.

Your own ingrained habits and beliefs are more difficult to change or relearn ... than the ability to notice warning signs (given by some motorists) about their (possible) intentions ...

Thought for the day ... Don't live and learn, but learn and live. Your life is in your hands. And quite frankly ... you seem like you need all the help you can get.

[Scuba_Steve]

I imagine it's hard to enforce.
And wet bus ticket punishment would cause a backlash.

We need another method to improve driving habits.

And the gubbermint needs to try another avenue regarding road skills

Not just speeding because it easier to measure and enforce.

Put me in-charge of the roads. Licences would only be granted to people that can drive not just cause you have some money & showed up on the day, the 10yr ID renewal would become a 10yr licence renewal, Tourists would have to sit a licence test before being allowed on the roads & would be issued a temp licence upon a pass

Admittedly due to the amount of people failing to obtain a licence under my system we'd probably have to be a little further on with the self drive car thing or have a better public transport system to avoid mass backlash as people find out they're pathetic at driving & can't obtain or keep a licence but hey at-least we'd have safer roads.

[Woodman]

You have never read any of the posts on here attacking me for being the only person on here to not be able to avoid the screw ups
of others then?

Okay, quote them for us then.

Also quote anyone who has said they won't get in an accident because they have been to training.

[eldog]

No a much simpler system would be to jack up all fines as many are not high enough to motivate people to want to change their ways
or just put up ACC premiums for those with a history of being at fault.

Not just at fault. Everyone gets an increase.
Those who don't pay.....

[eldog]

Sorry to hang you in indefinite suspense but I dont have the time to waste to look back over them. There has been many not just in this thread. I even had a guy who I think was an IAMs instructor that said all accidents that were the fault of others were avoidable. If you think about it though if it was possible there would be no accidents at all.

You do an awful job of thinking and assuming.
Your like that ant killer Neverwrong

Must be trying, to have to educate us mere mortals

[eldog]

Sorry to hang you in indefinite suspense but I dont have the time to waste to look back over them. There has been many not just in this thread. I even had a guy who I think was an IAMs instructor that said all accidents that were the fault of others were avoidable. If you think about it though if it was possible there would be no accidents at all.

Unable to quote.
Unable to provide evidence.
Unable to keep to OP thread.
Unable to accept that there maybe other sides to events.

Unable to help.

[James Deuce]

Fuck you are thick. Everyone on here understands that they could get wiped out even if they have done training.

And sometimes do. Though I do like to think that a sheep jumping off a bank into my chest and a drunk with no lights running me over at the exact moment I passed the end of a street are extreme outliers in terms of avoidable accidents.

[Woodman]

Sorry to hang you in indefinite suspense but I dont have the time to waste to look back over them. There has been many not just in this thread. I even had a guy who I think was an IAMs instructor that said all accidents that were the fault of others were avoidable. If you think about it though if it was possible there would be no accidents at all.

The statements don't exist do they?

This is getting rather sad...

[Voltaire]

Education.
The responsibility of NZTA.

Engineering.
The responsibility of NZTA.

Enforcement.
The responsibility of NZTA.
Subcontracted to Police.

easy to remember Mission Statements....

Is that a reflection on the level of intelligence you need to work for NZTA?

It would be like Air New Zealand employing Engineers based on Righty Tighty lefty Loosey.

[Murray]

There are some on here who believe that riding school has taught them to be bullet proof

Please show where someone has said this!!!!!!

[Murray]

Sorry to hang you in indefinite suspense but I dont have the time to waste to look back over them. There has been many not just in this thread.

Well show us where just in this thread as you have alluded too.