The 2017 Election Thread

[TheDemonLord]

My belief may be wrong, as may yours, but mine may not be a sexist one as I make no distinction between genders; yours however, does and is.

You make no distinction between the genders for the same Sexist reasons that you accuse me of.

Only as you've said - your belief is just that, and mine has some evidence (overstated or not) to it.

Perhaps you'd like a different perspective, from a different academic who is qualified in the field of Cognitive Psychology - you don't need to watch the whole thing - just the first 5 minutes - He's describing the discussion we are having - Where one person is trying to lump an observation of the differences between the sexes into the same category as some of the more dubious "science" from the Victorian period:

Come off it mate, they're still not even close. In addition to greatly overstating your own evidence by unjustified grouping, there's a fourth one to that list you missed...

You keep talking about Evidence, and yet...

[Graystone]

You make no distinction between the genders for the same Sexist reasons that you accuse me of.

Only as you've said - your belief is just that, and mine has some evidence (overstated or not) to it.

Some fucking twisted logic there dude.

As I've also said, both are based on evidence, I just know you are not looking to change you mind, so there is no point sharing non-conclusive evidence with you. We both know it is there, and we both know it is flawed, so what would you hope to achieve? Vice versa for your evidence, we both know it is both there, and flawed, this is why I don't bother discussing it; I cannot hope to achieve anything by doing so.

[TheDemonLord]

Some fucking twisted logic there dude.

Not at all. I'm just saying you are as sexist as you accuse me of, only yours is against men.

As I've also said, both are based on evidence, I just know you are not looking to change you mind, so there is no point sharing non-conclusive evidence with you. We both know it is there, and we both know it is flawed, so what would you hope to achieve? Vice versa for your evidence, we both know it is both there, and flawed, this is why I don't bother discussing it; I cannot hope to achieve anything by doing so.

You could just say "I got nothing" - it would be more efficient, more accurate and more convincing.

[Graystone]

Not at all. I'm just saying you are as sexist as you accuse me of, only yours is against men.



You could just say "I got nothing" - it would be more efficient, more accurate and more convincing.

How am I being sexist against men? I make no distinction between genders so by the very definition, that is not sexism.

Comments like that is why you're not up to it.

[TheDemonLord]

How am I being sexist against men? I make no distinction between genders so by the very definition, that is not sexism.

At worst: You are prejudicing a group, based on their gender, due to your beliefs. Which is the very essence of Sexism
At best: You are refusing to honestly engage in a discussion about the biological differences between the sexes, for fear of it's implication on your beliefs - and the most likely reason is because you hold to a sexist notion.

Treating people without reference to their gender under the law, ensuring an equality of opportunity, these are not Sexist.

Comments like that is why you're not up to it.

Still nothing, then.

[Graystone]

At worst: You are prejudicing a group, based on their gender, due to your beliefs. Which is the very essence of Sexism
At best: You are refusing to honestly engage in a discussion about the biological differences between the sexes, for fear of it's implication on your beliefs - and the most likely reason is because you hold to a sexist notion.

Treating people without reference to their gender under the law, ensuring an equality of opportunity, these are not Sexist.



Still nothing, then.

Don't be fucking stupid, there is no prejudicing a group by treating them as equals.

[TheDemonLord]

Don't be fucking stupid, there is no prejudicing a group by treating them as equals.

And what if you are maliciously treating them as equals?

Is that not prejudicial?

That's why I'm saying it's Sexist.

[Graystone]

And what if you are maliciously treating them as equals?

Is that not prejudicial?

That's why I'm saying it's Sexist.

Just take a look at that sentence, it shows just how ingrained your sexism is. That you think it a malicious notion to treat women the same as men is just fucking absurd.

[TheDemonLord]

Just take a look at that sentence, it shows just how ingrained your sexism is. That you think it a malicious notion to treat women the same as men is just fucking absurd.

No.

You missed the point. Spectacularly so. And this is the sexism I accuse you of.

I never said it was a malicious notion to treat women the same as men. But that is the only way you interpreted it as. Even more hilarious how many times you've thrown "STRAWMAN!" at me - now you are adding words to what I've said to suit your desired meaning of what I've said.

I said "And what if you are maliciously treating them as equals?"

If you are as smart as I think you are (and I mean that as a compliment, mind) then you should be able to re-read what I've actually written and come to a more accurate interpretation than the drivel which you just posted.

[Graystone]

No.

You missed the point. Spectacularly so. And this is the sexism I accuse you of.

I never said it was a malicious notion to treat women the same as men. But that is the only way you interpreted it as. Even more hilarious how many times you've thrown "STRAWMAN!" at me - now you are adding words to what I've said to suit your desired meaning of what I've said.

I said "And what if you are maliciously treating them as equals?"

If you are as smart as I think you are (and I mean that as a compliment, mind) then you should be able to re-read what I've actually written and come to a more accurate interpretation than the drivel which you just posted.

De-twist the knickers mate, sounds like you're having a moment!

So thinking you're a sexist cunt is why you accuse me of being sexist? You're still making no case at all for why my belief is a sexist one, while making my case for me that you are.

[TheDemonLord]

De-twist the knickers mate, sounds like you're having a moment!

I'd be more worried that you are thinking about my Knickers...

So thinking you're a sexist cunt is why you accuse me of being sexist? You're still making no case at all for why my belief is a sexist one, while making my case for me that you are.

Nah, I'm accusing you of being sexist for having an irrational belief, held against one particular Gender.

Have you understood what is meant "maliciously treating them as equals?" yet? or are your rose-tinted glasses welded to your face?

[husaberg]

At worst: You are prejudicing a group, based on their gender, due to your beliefs. Which is the very essence of Sexism
At best: You are refusing to honestly engage in a discussion about the biological differences between the sexes, for fear of it's implication on your beliefs - and the most likely reason is because you hold to a sexist notion.

Okay lets use some figures that suggest men should not be in charge of the country solely due to the fact that they are men.
because.

Adult men are 2 to 3 times more likely than women to have a drugabuse/dependence disorder.
Alcoholism is more than twice as common among men as women.

The suicide rate for males is 3.5 times higher than woman

57% of crashes involve only men.
Men live shorter lives by about 3-5 years on av.
They are 4.5 times more likely to be a suicide bomber

[Graystone]

I'd be more worried that you are thinking about my Knickers...



Nah, I'm accusing you of being sexist for having an irrational belief, held against one particular Gender.

Have you understood what is meant "maliciously treating them as equals?" yet? or are your rose-tinted glasses welded to your face?

So do you consider my belief that 'men and women are equals in all areas unless comprehensively proven otherwise', to be an irrational belief, held against one particular gender?

[RDJ]

Did anyone chuck a dildo or maybe a box of connies at her at the Waitangi Murray Day parade?

Nah, it was a total tongue-bathe of the Leaderette as they know they're gonna be able to snuffle a lot more stuff from the net-taxpayers' trough with Labore buying votes Chicago-machine-style.

On the plus side though it's been great riding weather. 1435 kms in 2.5 days, just genteel cruising and seeing the sights and sleeping outside 2 balmy nights.

[carbonhed]

So do you consider my belief that 'men and women are equals in all areas unless comprehensively proven otherwise', to be an irrational belief, held against one particular gender?

Pretty much. It's a politically motivated, irrational belief, propagated in the belief it'll get you laid. You don't have the balls you were born with.