The 2017 Election Thread

**TheDemonLord** · 14th February 2018, 06:55

Originally Posted by Graystone

That's my point, they did not isolate causal variables, so they cannot conclude anything about the cause. This is basic scientific principals mate, correlation does not equal causation. Nullius in verba.

Gender is the Causal Variable, and it was isolated.

Edit: also, It seems like you are trying to setup a catch 22:

"It's not an isolated causal variable, so there's no causal link
There's no causal link, therefore it's not a causal variable."

Unless, of course - you want to make an argument about the infinite number of social variables that in ANY social science experiment are impossible to perfectly control for - then by all means, go ahead - you'll just have to invalidate several entire branches of science to make that argument.

But then, I'd simply retort with "That's why we use large sample sizes, to average out those infinite social variables" - and we've run the experiment multiple times, with the same result.

**sidecar bob** · 14th February 2018, 07:22

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

So you National Sad Sacks accuse Jacinda of being a liar. Didn't I hear Old Billy Boy, just the other day, categorically state he was NOT going to stand down?

Bye bye Billy!!! Ya fucking sad sack loser!!

Why are labour supporters always so angry?
He's off to enjoy his own free time now. Wouldn't that just be a treat.

**Voltaire** · 14th February 2018, 07:37

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Why are labour supporters always so angry?
He's off to enjoy his own free time now. Wouldn't that just be a treat.

They are angry because they think the Govt will make their lives better, only the person in the mirror can do that.

Be interesting to see what miracles Labour can achieve in 3 years.

**Grumph** · 14th February 2018, 08:13

I see Crusher Collins has declared as a candidate for leader....I reckon if I was in national caucus, I'd step back and let her have it.

Better out front where you can see her than biting you from behind....

And she'd only be a caretaker leader anyway.

**TheDemonLord** · 14th February 2018, 08:22

Originally Posted by Voltaire

They are angry because they think the Govt will make their lives better, only the person in the mirror can do that.

Be interesting to see what miracles Labour can achieve in 3 years.

It's funny that you used the word "Miracles"...

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th February 2018, 09:52

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Why are labour supporters always so angry?
He's off to enjoy his own free time now. Wouldn't that just be a treat.

Originally Posted by Voltaire

They are angry because they think the Govt will make their lives better, only the person in the mirror can do that.

Be interesting to see what miracles Labour can achieve in 3 years.

Funnily enough, I'm not angry in the slightest. I'm really happy in fact, as the change I voted for happened. Not that much will change for me, but I simply wanted the self serving look after ya rich mates group of cunts gone. Top result all round for me. It's actually the national crowd that foolishly thought for sure Old Winnie would swing their way that seem the angry ones.

**sidecar bob** · 14th February 2018, 10:11

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

It's funny that you used the word "Miracles"...

Don't get your butt kissing & your miracles mixed up.

**TheDemonLord** · 14th February 2018, 10:35

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Don't get your butt kissing & your miracles mixed up.

Lawl - I dunno - the Walking on Water isn't mere butt kissing, That's full on ass-to-mouth, 2 girls, one cup action.

**Voltaire** · 14th February 2018, 11:53

Walking on Water.....the Media do enjoy meaningless headlines.

**nerrrd** · 14th February 2018, 13:04

Originally Posted by Swoop

As for the nonsensical approach of "freeing up more land for housing"? How stupid. Councils need to build UPwards, not outwards, but they don't like that because they miss out on raping ratepayers for land value.

It may be just that it's much easier and cheaper to build new infrastructure than upgrade the existing (which is already overloaded).

**Graystone** · 14th February 2018, 16:57

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Gender is the Causal Variable, and it was isolated.

Edit: also, It seems like you are trying to setup a catch 22:

"It's not an isolated causal variable, so there's no causal link
There's no causal link, therefore it's not a causal variable."

Unless, of course - you want to make an argument about the infinite number of social variables that in ANY social science experiment are impossible to perfectly control for - then by all means, go ahead - you'll just have to invalidate several entire branches of science to make that argument.

But then, I'd simply retort with "That's why we use large sample sizes, to average out those infinite social variables" - and we've run the experiment multiple times, with the same result.

Your data doesn't tell us if it is a societal cause, biological, or one of many other options though. You can't just tell me averaging makes it the one you want it to be, science and stats just don't work that way. Nullius in verba.

**Graystone** · 14th February 2018, 17:07

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

So these statements really irked me, and i couldn't put my finger on what it was that bothered me, until now.

Western civilization is predicated on the notion of the individual - it's why we stopped the practice of slavery and enacted human rights.

The notion of the individual requires that people be thought of as different. Not different but equal, but wholly different. It's why we have things like Job Interviews and tests.

Now, contrast this with the Law, that requires each individual to be treated as an equal - in this case, we set out the barest minimum of unacceptable behavior that everyone (who isn't otherwise impaired) can attain.

Likewise with education - we provide a bare minimum level of schooling so that everyone has a base level of opportunity.

And from that it should be patently clear, this is not semantic differences but separate concepts.

What convoluted bullshit. You think of and treat someone as an equal until they are a known individual and a sound judgement can be made, it's that simple. You're trying to go halfway and think of someone as inferior because of their group membership, instead of their individual merits. Western civilisation is defined by not doing that.