Engagement With Motorcyclists

[AllanB]

There is a woman in a small red car driving the length of Ellesmere Road about 7.45 am, Monday - Friday. A road marked 70-100 depending on which section you are on.

She is one of the most dangerous drivers I see each day, causing a line of frustrated drivers behind her daily who then make poor passing decisions (I've seen cars pass her on blind corners).

[Luckylegs]

No - but from observation the cockies being killed at local intersections here are within 4km or so of home.

Bear in mind it's aimed at rural intersections and people and not specifically at the relatively more intelligent motorcyclist.

Fairy nuff, sorry, mighta jumped the gun a bit. That slogan reminded me of the ol' country people die on country roads shite i remember as a kid. Annoyed me cos its so obvious but it disregards other more relevant factors.

Anyway, perhaps something more like "everyone loves their local cockie, but not when there driving like one"

...maybe not - its only wednesday, ill try again on friday after a glass of good time

[ellipsis]

Thats so frickin cliche - got the stats to back that shit up?

...stats are the truth...yeah right...rural people die on rural roads and the stats don't matter a fuck...complacency and out of date thinking takes out many rural dwellers within 15 k of being home, usually on a friday or sat night / early morning...if you want to check the stats yourself you could then disprove the Grumphs premise...no?...

[Luckylegs]

...stats are the truth...yeah right...rural people die on rural roads and the stats don't matter a fuck...complacency and out of date thinking takes out many rural dwellers within 15 k of being home, usually on a friday or sat night / early morning...if you want to check the stats yourself you could then disprove the Grumphs premise...no?...

Of course it does, its where they live ya fuckin knob. But so what, there are 10's of thousands of rural people driving many more times that in k's a year so the number is percentagely (thats probably not a word) low. Also take off the out of towners that die or locals that die because of out of towners and that number decreases again.

Id suggest ourtight stupidity and drug (including booze) fuelled incapability takes out the majority of the demographics you suggest.

Geez... you still got a bee in your bonnet from my 'twat'ness the other night ya grumpy cunt?

[ellipsis]

Of course it does, its where they live ya fuckin knob. But so what, there are 10's of thousands of rural people driving many more times that in k's a year so the number is percentagely (thats probably not a word) low. Also take off the out of towners that die or locals that die because of out of towners and that number decreases again.

Id suggest ourtight stupidity and drug (including booze) fuelled incapability takes out the majority of the demographics you suggest.

Geez... you still got a bee in your bonnet from my 'twat'ness the other night ya grumpy cunt?

...the key word was complacency , knob,...doesn't matter where you live, complacency kills the complacent but in many occasions the innocent...

[Luckylegs]

...doesn't matter where you live, complacency kills the complacent but in many occasions the innocent...

Which kind of sums up why i thought young grumphs slogan was a little naff in terms of a message. I dont think it adequately spelled out the issue that needs to be resolved (ie complancency - among other things). Perhaps it's implied, perhaps the general populus are complacent on known roads but im not so sure....

That said, it wasnt a dig at grumph or that he was making a suggestion but a point, which is the very topic of this thread, about how to engage, and im saying that slogans like that might not reach the people they need to in fact it might just have the opposite effect.

After all of that, the reply i got suggested that i was being to genetal anyway and it was intended to relate to the farm types and some of there less than ideal intersection habits.


.....fuck kiwibiker is easier drunk

[eldog]

I didn’t know much about the Selwyn district until I just looked it up on google map.
looks like rural with lots of straight roads with multi road intersections. Plenty of opportunities for accidents esp at intersections, where a quick glance right and left, you have been through plenty of times before, causes your mind to ‘see’ nothing coming (you might be thinking of something else etc) then move forward ‘BOOM’.
falling asleep on the way home would be a good one too
or ice.

tell me if I am wrong.

i hope you get action on whatever you suggest.

maybe Re align the secondary roads so they are not opposite, inviting the drag strip effect.

put up signs with year/decade number of accidents/deaths.

these need to keep changing otherwise complacency will set in.

it will be hard work. Get in peoples faces


eg for people who like going to war, Arlington Cemetry and watching the burial of a fallen soldier is quite sobering.

[ellipsis]

I didn’t know much about the Selwyn district until I just looked it up on google map.
looks like rural with lots of straight roads with multi road intersections. Plenty of opportunities for accidents esp at intersections, where a quick glance right and left, you have been through plenty of times before, causes your mind to ‘see’ nothing coming (you might be thinking of something else etc) then move forward ‘BOOM’.
falling asleep on the way home would be a good one too
or ice.

tell me if I am wrong.

i hope you get action on whatever you suggest.

maybe Re align the secondary roads so they are not opposite, inviting the drag strip effect.

put up signs with year/decade number of accidents/deaths.

these need to keep changing otherwise complacency will set in.

it will be hard work. Get in peoples faces

...we have more roads for the area involved than anywhere else, I read recently...the rural roads are in not too bad a condition...they are ridiculously long and straight and are interspersed with stop sign intersections or give way signs , gentle curves that don't seem much more than straight at 90kph but are a handful at 130kph if you are not aware or up with the play...I've been caught out on the odd occasion coming back from playing a gig out in a plains town and cruising home at 2 or 3 in the morning...pure luck at times that some poor cunt wasn't on an intersection that I had no idea of, as I flew through at 95 kph in the old two ton toyota...

[granstar]

and those pricks in tractors that drive down the road at night with their bloody plow lights on blinding you as you approach after you realize that vehicle you are approaching at twice their speed is actually traveling on your side of the road and in the same direction, their should be no warnings for those bastards, pull em over give em a big arse ticket then get up and smash their bloody plow lights, inconsiderate cnuts they are.

Followed a firkin ride on lawn mower around Cooper Corner roundabout today

[Grumph]

...we have more roads for the area involved than anywhere else, I read recently...the rural roads are in not too bad a condition...they are ridiculously long and straight and are interspersed with stop sign intersections or give way signs , gentle curves that don't seem much more than straight at 90kph but are a handful at 130kph if you are not aware or up with the play...I've been caught out on the odd occasion coming back from playing a gig out in a plains town and cruising home at 2 or 3 in the morning...pure luck at times that some poor cunt wasn't on an intersection that I had no idea of, as I flew through at 95 kph in the old two ton toyota...

They're in worse condition now....The milk tankers on roads not built for the wheel loadings haven't helped. Nor have all the pipework crossings for the Central Plains water scheme.
Few years back a couple going home from a gig out our way went through a pole barrier on a straight bit of the Bealey where there were road works and a diversion. Smack into a parked dozer at over 100kph. Tiredness/inattention/complacency of the straight roads ?

[rastuscat]

They're in worse condition now....The milk tankers on roads not built for the wheel loadings haven't helped. Nor have all the pipework crossings for the Central Plains water scheme.
Few years back a couple going home from a gig out our way went through a pole barrier on a straight bit of the Bealey where there were road works and a diversion. Smack into a parked dozer at over 100kph. Tiredness/inattention/complacency of the straight roads ?

I haven't got a start date yet, but the issues identified are varied.

2400 km of roadway, lots of it long and straight. Lots of intersections.

Issues include intersections, old/young drivers, alcohol, [B]motorcycles[B], loss of control on bends.

Plus all the standard stuff like distractions, following too closely, inattention.

[rastuscat]

Maybe start with having an additional sign that there is an intersection 400m ahead in addition to the ones that say an intersection is 200m ahead as at 100km an hour it could be easy to miss the 200m ahead sign.

I read a study years ago that said that due to the increasing numbers of signs being installed, people only mindfully register around 20% of the signs installed.

The signs just become part of the white noise littering the road sides, from the point of view of a drivers mind.

I think wearing a gorilla suit waving a pink "Look Out" sign mind draw someone's attention. I'll run it past the new boss.

[Grumph]

Signs out here are merely targets. There's one up the road from me that when I saw it, I did a double take - I didn't know anyone in the area had a cannon...

Who's your boss at SDC ?

[eldog]

Use of variable spaced rumble strips as closing to stops
Not speed humps

Space them in groups with decreasing spaces closer to stop

Just a thought

Wearing a pink gorilla suit might not cut it.

Agree about number signs becoming noise.
Some recent signs are way to reflective. They are becoming a hazard in themselves.

Hi vis similar problem

[rastuscat]

Signs out here are merely targets. There's one up the road from me that when I saw it, I did a double take - I didn't know anyone in the area had a cannon...

Who's your boss at SDC ?

Not sure. Not that I'd post it even if I did know.