The 1080 debate

**Woodman** · 18th September 2018, 13:03

Originally Posted by Katman

And if domestic animals are "trespassing on DOC land" it doesn't sound like that land is particularly 'inaccessible'.

Now you are mixing two separate conversations.

If farmers can't control their stock then its the farmers fault if their animals wander into doc land. Same with hunters dogs that get poisoned by 1080. An unwatched wandering dog is a predator so 1080 is doing its job.

**Katman** · 18th September 2018, 13:05

https://kapitiindependentnews.net.nz...est-scientist/

**Katman** · 18th September 2018, 13:07

Originally Posted by Woodman

Now you are mixing two separate conversations.

No I'm not.

I'm simply pointing that if stock have wandered onto DOC land it can hardly be called 'inaccessible'.

Did you go to the same school as the Berk?

**husaberg** · 18th September 2018, 13:27

Originally Posted by Katman

No I'm not.

I'm simply pointing that if stock have wandered onto DOC land it can hardly be called 'inaccessible'.

Did you go to the same school as the Berk?

No one has ever said the areas were inaccessable to "animals" thats the whole point in doing the vector controls you dullard
Where is this account where a farmer who lost stock was offered a pitifull ammount of silage as compensation for his loss of 10 heifers.
Go on show it to us all.
Id would be intersted to see this third or forth hand information especially if its backed by a toxicollogy report stating the cause of death

**Katman** · 18th September 2018, 13:45

So if it's a criminal offence to kill a native bird, how come DOC gets to do it with complete impunity?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11749165

**Woodman** · 18th September 2018, 14:43

Originally Posted by Katman

No I'm not.

Did you go to the same school as the Berk?

Yes you are, and I may have gone to the same school as Husaberg.

**Katman** · 18th September 2018, 14:47

Originally Posted by Woodman

....and I may have gone to the same school as Husaberg.

It shows.

**Woodman** · 18th September 2018, 15:15

Originally Posted by Katman

So if it's a criminal offence to kill a native bird, how come DOC gets to do it with complete impunity?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11749165

Would they be just as culpable if they didn't drop 1080 and the predators killed even more birds than the 1080?

**Katman** · 18th September 2018, 15:17

Originally Posted by Woodman

Would they be just as culpable if they didn't drop 1080 and the predators killed even more birds than the 1080?

The legislation deals with killing a native species - not failing to save it.

**FJRider** · 18th September 2018, 16:17

Originally Posted by Katman

So if it's a criminal offence to kill a native bird, how come DOC gets to do it with complete impunity?

Section 41. Ministers general Powers ... that should cover it.

The policy of ... if protected species are accidentally injured or killed during the eradication of harmful species of wildlife may be (obviously is) allowed with the Ministers approval. ALL such eradication operations have to be approved by the Minister.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...resel_25_a&p=1

(c) co-ordinate the policies and activities of departments of State, local authorities, and public bodies in relation to the protection, management, control, and conservation of wildlife and the eradication of harmful species of wildlife:

**jellywrestler** · 18th September 2018, 16:27

Originally Posted by Katman

So if it's a criminal offence to kill a native bird, how come DOC gets to do it with complete impunity?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11749165

maybe the same as the kaikoura road repair crews who could kill seals in certain circumstances....

**FJRider** · 18th September 2018, 16:54

Originally Posted by Katman

No I'm not.

I'm simply pointing that if stock have wandered onto DOC land it can hardly be called 'inaccessible'.

Did you go to the same school as the Berk?

Perhaps the owners of stock wandering on to DOC areas should be prosecuted for endangering a native wildlife habitat.

Property owners near any pest eradication schemes have to be notified so as be able to be able to keep stock out of the drop zone/danger area. Some property owners have in the past ... intentionally allowed stock onto DOC land for publicity purposes after they are "found" dead.

Many parts of the south island west coast bush is inaccessible ... 20 meters off the tar-seal. Cattle (just like deer) can manage most lowland parts.

**Katman** · 18th September 2018, 17:00

Originally Posted by FJRider

Cattle (just like deer) can manage most lowland parts.

As can experienced bushmen.

**FJRider** · 18th September 2018, 17:29

Originally Posted by Katman

As can experienced bushmen.

Carrying how many possum traps ... ??? and/or how many Kg's of poison bait ... ??? and even then having to slash their way through with a machete.

If those "Experienced bushman" want to cover any distance ... they need to carry their own gear too. Most can't be bothered trapping very far into the west coast bush as it's not worth the effort for the $$$ return ... and bugger all area baited. Hardly effective pest control.

Most prefer to just get dropped/picked up ... by chopper on the tops ... With just rifle and pack and go through the lower scrub (if they have to) on the way out.