The firearm thread

[Swoop]

... to owning a gun they never even needed in the first place.

You are sounding just like a few of those farmers / hunters down south, who say "you don't need"...

Firearms are like a set of golf clubs. You could play a game of golf with only one golf-bat, but you don't.
There are different types for different situations.

Same with firearms. Some inbread hillbilly with his cut down .303 that is used for pig hunting, has no concept of a time+accuracy discipline competition event or IPSC style competition.

Its well past the time you should have figured out why its a stand NZ as a whole is taking.

NZ is not taking a stand as a "whole". There are a LOT of unhappy people out there who are law-abiding citizens who are being punished for the illegal actions of a lunatic.

Similar to a boi-ricer killing someone in his suped-up subaru and inept government deciding to ban all subarus to prevent recurrence.

[husaberg]

You are sounding just like a few of those farmers / hunters down south, who say "you don't need"...

Firearms are like a set of golf clubs. You could play a game of golf with only one golf-bat, but you don't.
There are different types for different situations.

Same with firearms. Some inbread hillbilly with his cut down .303 that is used for pig hunting, has no concept of a time+accuracy discipline competition event or IPSC style competition.


NZ is not taking a stand as a "whole". There are a LOT of unhappy people out there who are law-abiding citizens who are being punished for the illegal actions of a lunatic.

Similar to a boi-ricer killing someone in his suped-up subaru and inept government deciding to ban all subarus to prevent recurrence.

Here is something you are clearly not aware of, you are in the minority in both have a gun licence owning a firearm and your opinion to what is needed or not.
You don't get a choice your opinion as its clearly self serving is not even taken into consideration.
Maybe you should share the situation where having a assault rifle is relevent in NZ.
Because even the most fervent gun supporter gan only offer for culling goats and other large game.
These "unhappy law abiding citizens" are the same that are now trying to find ways to get around the law who were already breaking the NZ law by purchasing large magazines and are now a talking about not complying with the law
So for you to describe them as law abiding is frankly hilarious.
PS the firearms that are now banned are not like golf clubs or cars , there sole purpose is to kill things.

Your privileges to own a large caliber semi auto on a A cat licence have been revoked, move on, get over it, get a high grade licence, or go to jail for illegally owning one, frankly i don't give a hoot what you do.
It's NZ law its the whole country that has take a stand aganst an minority of gun owners that want to own a gun they dont need in the first place.

As i said earlier

The change in NZ law is about lives, not money or some pathetic weapon you want to have for pose value or fun.
NZ doesn't have a right to bear arms in its constitution. Nor do you need a semi auto Military style assault rifle, you mealy want one.
People in NZ can still continue own a firearm as a privilege, to hunt with, as a hobby or sport or collecting.
But simply as a result of 50 innocent people getting killed recently in the mater of minutes by a total loser, you longer have that privilege anymore to own a military style semi Automatic anymore on a A cat licience.
Even one without a large mag or a buttstock that's modified in the effort to get around the no pistol-grip rule.
Its over.
For those that continue on moaning. Man up and face facts. ITS OVER.

Maybe before you reply type out the names of the 50 innocent people that died in CHCh and the 13 others at Aromoana , then add how much you feel you are inconvenienced by the new rules and how you still want to have your military style semi auto.
If you cant do that i are not going to take you seriously

[Laava]

No, I don't.

A Licence is functionally very different from the item that is licenced.

Not when it is taken off you by beauracracy. That was my point. Or did you just want the 5 min arguement?

[husaberg]

Not when it is taken off you by beauracracy. That was my point. Or did you just want the 5 min arguement?

I think you need to have a gander at the Stupid world thread hes losing a 50 page argument with Grey stone.
I think TDL shot his uncle Duke

[TheDemonLord]

Not when it is taken off you by beauracracy. That was my point. Or did you just want the 5 min arguement?

But the licence wasn't taken off you by Bureaucracy, was it?

There is still a mechanism to acquire said license.

Which was my point.

Also - how come you are arguing with me if I haven't paid?

[Laava]

Loser pays.
Yes, the lifetime license was taken off all of us and replaced with a 10yr renewable license. We had no say, your lifetime you were issued just got rescinded. Must have been before your time...

[husaberg]

Loser pays.
Yes, the lifetime license was taken off all of us and replaced with a 10yr renewable license. We had no say, your lifetime you were issued just got rescinded. Must have been before your time...

Same happened with the drivers licence as well, we just all put on out big boy pants and got on with it, I guess some pom immigrants, no one asked to move here, want to live in NZ yet not obey our laws. As they want to pretend to be be cheap imitations of American action movie stars. Or live out their video game fantasies.
Just to top it all off. Then they go on and act like they are law abiding citizens getting persecuted.
If it wasn't so tragic or hypocritical it would almost be fumy

[jasonu]

That was my point. Or did you just want the 5 min arguement?

There is no '5 min argument' with Husaberg. It can and will go on for months if you let it.

[TheDemonLord]

NZ is not taking a stand as a "whole". There are a LOT of unhappy people out there who are law-abiding citizens who are being punished for the illegal actions of a lunatic.

Similar to a boi-ricer killing someone in his suped-up subaru and inept government deciding to ban all subarus to prevent recurrence.

A more apt description would be banning all cars that have Alloy Wheels and Spoilers, as they are clearly race cars and should only be driven on a Race Track.

[husaberg]

There is no '5 min argument' with Husaberg. It can and will go on for months if you let it.

Small H Jason Small H. Yes i can go on for hours and hours, Some like that better than gone in 30 seconds.

[FJRider]

A more apt description would be banning all cars that have Alloy Wheels and Spoilers, as they are clearly race cars and should only be driven on a Race Track.

Funny you should say that ... I lived in Singapore for a few years in the early eighties. The ONLY modification you COULD legally make was fit alloy wheels ...


But ... many a true word has been said in jest. Be careful what you say ... I've heard stupider suggestions from some in Government ...

[Swoop]

Here is something you are clearly not aware of, you are in the minority...

This is NZ, where the minority (or an exceptionally small group) is overly represented... You should be well aware of this.


I take it you have read the order in council? I also wonder how many people have compared the police document being bandied around on "what is now law", which misleads the public in a very impressive manner. Shotguns are specifically NOT mentioned in the OiC, yet plod propaganda screams "register now!".

Now, for the cut & paste onslaught.

[husaberg]

This is NZ, where the minority (or an exceptionally small group) is overly represented... You should be well aware of this.


I take it you have read the order in council? I also wonder how many people have compared the police document being bandied around on "what is now law", which misleads the public in a very impressive manner. Shotguns are specifically NOT mentioned in the OiC, yet plod propaganda screams "register now!".

Now, for the cut & paste onslaught.

Majority rules.
The word semi auto and the word Shotgun covers the shot guns effected. As they are firearms.
Hint. You don’t get to override the people that enforce the gun laws.
You have consistently proven yourself to be unable to read and understand simple wording and documents
You are now flat out embarrassing yourself with you lack brainpower.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...est/whole.html

3
Certain semi-automatic firearms declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms

For the purposes of the Arms Act 1983, the following firearms are declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms:
(a)
a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges:
(b)
a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges.

This note is not part of the order, but is intended to indicate its general effect.This order, which comes into force at 3 pm on 21 March 2019, declares the following firearms to be military style semi-automatic firearms:
a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges:
a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges.

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Below the goverment and police took the time to explain what it meant.

“We have also acknowledged that some guns serve legitimate purposes in our farming communities, and have therefore set out exemptions for 0.22 calibre rifles and shotguns commonly used for duck hunting. These will have limitations around their capacity.

earlier this afternoon, an Order in Council under section 74A(c) of the Arms Act was signed by the Governor-General to reclassify a wider range of semi-automatic weapons under the Act. It came into effect at 3pm today.

2. What semi-automatic firearms will NOT be affected by the ban?
There is a balance to be struck between public safety and legitimate use. The changes exclude two general classes of firearms which are commonly used for hunting, pest control, stock management on farms, and duck shooting:
• Semi-automatic .22 calibre rimfire firearms with a magazine which holds no more than ten rounds
• Semi-automatic and pump action shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine which holds no more than five rounds
3. What semi-automatic firearms are affected by today’s Order in Council?
Two types of firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs):
• A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges
• A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges

[TheDemonLord]

This is NZ, where the minority (or an exceptionally small group) is overly represented... You should be well aware of this.


I take it you have read the order in council? I also wonder how many people have compared the police document being bandied around on "what is now law", which misleads the public in a very impressive manner. Shotguns are specifically NOT mentioned in the OiC, yet plod propaganda screams "register now!".

Now, for the cut & paste onslaught.

If firearm owners were gay or confused about their gender, there would be no question from the left about the immorality of the Majority trying to force their standards on the Minority...

[OddDuck]

I'm with Husaberg on this one.

Owning a military style semi auto, if you're a civilian, just got a whole lot harder... and this is a GOOD THING. We need this. All of us, yes even you DemonLord.

Your right to tool up all tactical and have bang bang fun is small. The rest of us having a right to public safety is large. The gun lobby is going to lose. Good.

I quite like living in a society where I don't have to worry about random nutters carrying out rampages, don't you? Or at least it was like that until two weeks ago.