Stupid World

[austingtir]

And that is exactly why the situation continues. Those with don't help by trying to solve another part of the problem that the kebab guy is. Instead they roll out the trite platitudes and big brush the problem under someone else's carpet. What you resist persists.

The problem is Auckland has had a long succession of lefty liberal mayors. Look at any country in the world where you have major homeless issues and you can just about bet the place is run by leftists.


Thats the stone cold truth!

[mashman]

The problem is Auckland has had a long succession of lefty liberal mayors. Look at any country in the world where you have major homeless issues and you can just about bet the place is run by leftists.


Thats the stone cold truth!

That's just fucking stupid for s many reasons it's hard to know where to begin. So I won't, because both left and right and all of the shades in between still haven't nailed the problem, which is access to resources, including somewhere to live. You might have heard of the housing shortages around the country? Maybe you don't fully understand what that means. Either way, left or right haven't changed it, so blaming leftists is just plain old stupid.

[austingtir]

That's just fucking stupid for s many reasons it's hard to know where to begin. So I won't, because both left and right and all of the shades in between still haven't nailed the problem, which is access to resources, including somewhere to live. You might have heard of the housing shortages around the country? Maybe you don't fully understand what that means. Either way, left or right haven't changed it, so blaming leftists is just plain old stupid.

Its simple you throw them all in jail and educate them that its not ok to shit on the streets.


Problem solved.


And I disagree that left or right has not created the problem. IMO JK is when national took a major leap to the left. Therefore the left created this mess.

And afterall it was Comrade Helen who started importing the third world (and the rich chinese who bought all the houses) en masse.

Thats why we find ourselves in this situation. Because of globalism which is a leftist idealogy. Both National and Labour are globalist parties. Hence why I wont be voting for them!

[MaxPenguin]

And that is exactly why the situation continues. Those with don't help by trying to solve another part of the problem that the kebab guy is. Instead they roll out the trite platitudes and big brush the problem under someone else's carpet. What you resist persists.

You don't have to scratch very deep to get under the skin of the "we care about the community" bullshit I bet the members of the business association spout forth.

[mashman]

You don't have to scratch very deep to get under the skin of the "we care about the community" bullshit I bet the members of the business association spout forth.

There's only so much $ to go around and business still needs to support employees/suppliers etc... Rock and Hard Place sprinkled with hundreds and thousands of catch-22's. The inevitable structural violence ensues i.e. homelessness and poverty, at the expense of jobs and comfort. We can only care as much as we can afford to care, coz we don't directly fix the problems ourselves, we pay for someone else to fix 'em on our behalf. At least we ain't the u.s... yet

[mashman]

Its simple you throw them all in jail and educate them that its not ok to shit on the streets.

The reason the numbers are rising is because there is a lack of property... let alone at an affordable rate. The jails already run at quite a high capacity and given the cost of keeping a prisoner in jail is approx $100lk per year, you'd be better off buying the homeless an entire community of small houses, land to farm on, and so on, simply because it would be cheaper to do that in the long run.

As such, one more bout of your right/left wing bollocks will see me apply the ignore function that has only ever known tdl, husatwat, and bogan... because you are spouting a rather archaic politically trite dogma that has been tried, tested and failed. Lock 'em up... how left can ya get. You must be the bastard love child of bogan and at least one of the other two.

[austingtir]

The reason the numbers are rising is because there is a lack of property... let alone at an affordable rate. The jails already run at quite a high capacity and given the cost of keeping a prisoner in jail is approx $100lk per year, you'd be better off buying the homeless an entire community of small houses, land to farm on, and so on, simply because it would be cheaper to do that in the long run.

As such, one more bout of your right/left wing bollocks will see me apply the ignore function that has only ever known tdl, husatwat, and bogan... because you are spouting a rather archaic politically trite dogma that has been tried, tested and failed. Lock 'em up... how left can ya get. You must be the bastard love child of bogan and at least one of the other two.

What are you talking about the government already pays exorbitant amounts for motels all around the country. Kiwibuild??? Hello what happened there? I happen to know a fair bit about this as family is in commercial realestate. Theres a motel straight over the road from my wife's work that houses these people en masse because of the near 100% occupancy it allows the motel to achieve at good rates.

You can see motel owners getting out of the business and selling up over this because of the degeneracy they have to deal with on a daily basis. Even though the money is good the trouble it brings is not for everyone. So we are destroying the motel industry in Rotorua and other towns (even though some of the motel owners may not realize it yet) and destroying the tourisim industry in Rotorua because tourists sometimes make the mistake of also staying at these motels where these "homeless" get up to their shenanigans.


Acting like all homeless are just down on their luck and arent responsible for their situation is just not true. Some of them are complete scum of earth who shouldnt even be out of jail where they belong. Sure some of them are genuine homeless who either cant or are uncapable of supporting themselves those ones I have no problem with my tax payer dollars helping them out the others not so much.

Not everyone falls for the pull on the heartstrings rubbish half this country does as some of us actually see what really goes on.


This issue is only going to get worse giving these people handouts. This government made a massive song and dance about fixing this and the housing issue and one year out from the next election we are in exactly the same place (worse actually) than when they were on the opposition benches chortling about fixing these issues!

[mashman]

What are you talking about the government already pays exorbitant amounts for motels all around the country. I happen to know a fair bit about this as family is in commercial realestate. Theres a motel straight over the road from my wife's work that houses these people en masse because of the near 100% occupancy it allows the motel to achieve at good rates.

You can see motel owners getting out of the business and selling up over this because of the degeneracy they have to deal with on a daily basis. Even though the money is good the trouble it brings is not for everyone.

And we wonder where the homeless keep coming from. Despite the fact that we've gotten to the point where motels are being extensively used, there are still homeless. Despite the fact that to get to that point you need to have ignored housing shortages for quite some time and not just under any single government.

The trouble is a pain in the arse, yes. But where else do you house the people that have been ignored for decades? We create and maintain property to a standard where it's profitable, otherwise every house built in NZ would be made of the best materials available and designed to last centuries. The problem is money, the outcome is less than optimal humans.

[MaxPenguin]

As long as the boomers property portfolios are showing good returns and driving up the price of houses and rent, then all good for the boomers. Fuck the homeless. Funnily enough them boomers are generally the ones conplaining the loudest about homeless folk, and youngins not working hard enough to get on the property ladder.

[mashman]

As long as the boomers property portfolios are showing good returns and driving up the price of houses and rent, then all good for the boomers. Fuck the homeless. Funnily enough them boomers are generally the ones conplaining the loudest about homeless folk, and youngins not working hard enough to get on the property ladder.

Side effects of a sick culture... but necessary to not be the one living in a motel. lol@boomers. Learned behaviour from parents and sensible advice from financial advisors over the last 100 years or so: put it in property. No one has really done anything wrong, but the more than predictable effects and outcomes of such activity are accepted and ignored as business as usual. The shit slinging shows just how much we/they don't know. As such we get the sideshow and the consolation of getting to blame the incoming. Insane.

[MaxPenguin]

Side effects of a sick culture... but necessary to not be the one living in a motel. lol@boomers. Learned behaviour from parents and sensible advice from financial advisors over the last 100 years or so: put it in property. No one has really done anything wrong, but the more than predictable effects and outcomes of such activity are accepted and ignored as business as usual. The shit slinging shows just how much we/they don't know. As such we get the sideshow and the consolation of getting to blame the incoming. Insane.

Agreed, nobody has done anything wrong except profit from unsustainability. We knew no better.

[mashman]

Agreed, nobody has done anything wrong except profit from unsustainability. We knew no better.

More or less I guess. Even if we wake up tomorrow morning and all corruption stops, we still need to stop approximately 50% of global production to address our sustainability issue... which should have a massively positive impact on our environmental/climate in a hundred years time or so ha ha ha haaaaaa. We did/do know better though, but how do you slam on the brakes of a culture that sees the homeless as inconvenient and then bitches about paying too much tax to cover the cost of living for a growing number of people whilst at the same time limiting their own tax liability. But yeah, primarily we all followed our "education/programming" to predictable outcomes.

[austingtir]

Agreed, nobody has done anything wrong except profit from unsustainability. We knew no better.

Depends on what you think is unsustainable. I think importing immigrants hand over fist to have cheap labour for the corporates is unsustainable.


Or said immigrants effect on the housing market and basic social cohesion. Those are things that are unsustainable for NZ.

Certain ways things have been done are unsustainable sure but not the stuff the average bloke on the street is doing.

[MaxPenguin]

Depends on what you think is unsustainable. I think importing immigrants hand over fist to have cheap labour for the corporates is unsustainable.


Or said immigrants effect on the housing market and basic social cohesion. Those are things that are unsustainable for NZ.

Certain ways things have been done are unsustainable sure but not the stuff the average bloke on the street is doing.

What immigrants?

[austingtir]

What immigrants?

Any immigrants. Migrants. Refugees. Whatever the term of the day is.


It should be held at 10-20k per anum absolute max.


But of course its the only thing stopping western economies from collapsing.....