The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[TheDemonLord]

And I'll bring you back to the scale of conflict we're seeing these days.

I can think of half a dozen (with clearly more to come) countries that have been virtually destroyed through the conflict that has spanned only the last 20 or so years.

That's a function of Technology and Population.

50 people armed with Spears, Bows and Arrows travelling on Camels can't wreak as much havoc as 5,000 armed with RPGs, IEDs and AKs travelling in Toyota Hiluxs.

[Katman]

That's a function of Technology and Population.

50 people armed with Spears, Bows and Arrows travelling on Camels can't wreak as much havoc as 5,000 armed with RPGs, IEDs and AKs travelling in Toyota Hiluxs.

Are you telling me that America's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and their bombing of a number of other countries is down to tribal, ethnic and religious differences?

[oldrider]

The New Iranian Crisis - E. Michael Jones' Analysis:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

[TheDemonLord]

Are you telling me that America's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and their bombing of a number of other countries is down to tribal, ethnic and religious differences?

The US used to be on good terms with Iran, before a certain religious event.

There's also Saddam's campaign against the Kurds (Religious and Ethnic based)

The Iran - Iraq war was over Religious differences.

Said war laid the groundwork for the invasion of Kuwait.

[sugilite:Me]

The Iran - Iraq war was over Religious differences.

Said war laid the groundwork for the invasion of Kuwait.

I would hazard a guess that, that war like most are not about "who has the bestest invisible friend" but more about control of resources, like just about every war ever. The war mongers just rouse up the soldiers with the religious shit.

I'm with Katman on the Israel thing. If their neighbors were not so unified in hatred against them, I have no doubt Isreal would of confiscated/annexed much more territory by now.
I don't pretend to know much about the intricacies of the middle east, but do find it curious that a country such as the USA which is absolutely riddled with debt, borrows money to give to Israel, who have a shit ton less debt than they do! Must be some deep shit skulduggery in there somewhere.

[pritch]

Just about everything you post is implausible conspiracy laced twaddle. Don't blame us for not putting in any effort to see if you are serious or not.

The MAGAts are buggers for publishing stuff they find on satire sites as fact, usually because they are unable to tell the difference between fact and satire.

To be fair though, now that Trump has done so much weird nonsense and the White House is full of sycophants and chancers, the line is becoming blurred.

[TheDemonLord]

I would hazard a guess that, that war like most are not about "who has the bestest invisible friend" but more about control of resources, like just about every war ever. The war mongers just rouse up the soldiers with the religious shit.

Control of Resources probably enters into it, so to does being the historic power in the region. But to deny that there is a long tradition of Religious fighting between the main Islamic factions is foolish.

I'm with Katman on the Israel thing. If their neighbors were not so unified in hatred against them, I have no doubt Isreal would of confiscated/annexed much more territory by now.
I don't pretend to know much about the intricacies of the middle east, but do find it curious that a country such as the USA which is absolutely riddled with debt, borrows money to give to Israel, who have a shit ton less debt than they do! Must be some deep shit skulduggery in there somewhere.

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. I'm not a particular fan of the US aid to Israel. That said even if Israel is pissing everyone off - how do you explain the violence that spans over half a millenia that predates Israel?

[austingtir]

What about General Wesley Clark's claim that there was a plan to 'take out' seven countries within a five year period?

Was that plan due to tribal, ethnic and religious differences?

But history shows they didnt do that .... They only did 3 and a half.


When that first came out (13 years ago!!) I was like you holy shit look at this but now I just look at it as thats what the deepstate do. As Clark said this is a certain group or faction inside the american government and military industrial complex that got control of the wheels of power and went ham (Bush, Clinton,Bush Obama and then it was meant to be Hillary to continue that cronyism...)

Trump is not the same as them and the last three years has proven that. But he still has to tow certain lines for the people that got him there obviously and thats most likely not going to align with what some halfwits down at the bottom of the south pacific think he should be doing.

If Hillary was president they would of already mounted a full invasion of Iran and syria either via their proxies that they clearly setup for exactly that purpose like ISIS and this general they just blew up in Iraq.

That part is why they hate him so much. He has dismantled so many of their well laid plans now that they are freaking out. And by that im mainly talking about drug, people smuggling (which is why there was a big song and dance about khashoggi) and the likes of what epstein was upto.



^^Another one to keep sugilightweight and pickle busy......

[husaberg]

I would hazard a guess that, that war like most are not about "who has the bestest invisible friend" but more about control of resources, like just about every war ever. The war mongers just rouse up the soldiers with the religious shit.

I'm with Katman on the Israel thing. If their neighbors were not so unified in hatred against them, I have no doubt Isreal would of confiscated/annexed much more territory by now.
I don't pretend to know much about the intricacies of the middle east, but do find it curious that a country such as the USA which is absolutely riddled with debt, borrows money to give to Israel, who have a shit ton less debt than they do! Must be some deep shit skulduggery in there somewhere.

Hint on the Israel thing, do you think its a co-incidence that Israel has given all the land back to countries that have simply reconised them... eg Egypt and Jordan.
if they were not fighting with Israel, they would be fighting with each other who has the best tribe oil and sky pixie, Remember that Palestine wasn't stolen ever off Palestine it was taken from Jordan. people tent to forget that little fact.
What makes me chuckle is No ones questioning the motives of RUssia wiping all Syria's debts (10 billion USD 2005) to them and spending up large. they have 30,000 people there.
Especially considering At the end of June 2013, Russian deputy foreign minister Mikhail Bogdanov said in an interview that the russian facility did not have any strategic or military importance...........
Nor do the same mention, the Russian invasion of the Ukraine..........

[Katman]

But history shows they didnt do that .... They only did 3 and a half.

Plans don't always go according to plan.

[Katman]

But to deny that there is a long tradition of Religious fighting between the main Islamic factions is foolish.

Has anyone here done that?

Or are you just imagining it?

[husaberg]

What about General Wesley Clark's claim that there was a plan to 'take out' seven countries within a five year period?

Was that plan due to tribal, ethnic and religious differences?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: 2007 (He claimed the conversation occurred in 2002)

Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and Sudan, and back to Iran.

He scores a 0.5 he got one right years afterward it already happened.
the US invaded Iraq 5 years before he stated the plan. So he scores a Zero.. He gets .5 if we give him something for being involved in Syria.
The US involvement in Libya was UN. no us troops. no invasion no points
I am being exceedingly generous as they are all outside the time-frame.
So wow 0.5 out of 7 wow but none within his timeframe.............

[austingtir]

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[austingtir]

The United States has denied Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif a visa to travel to the United States for a UN Security Council meeting on Thursday

https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/sta...65848778883073

This guy is the FATHER of the Best Man at Kerry's daughter's wedding to an Iranian doctor. Kerry is deeply involved in this shit as are many others, especially in the Obama admin.


Now, when the UN threatens to move out Trump can turn the UN headquarters into his presidential library......

[sugilite:Me]

Control of Resources probably enters into it, so to does being the historic power in the region. But to deny that there is a long tradition of Religious fighting between the main Islamic factions is foolish.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.". Do you really think war mongers believe in God - I'm the one that is foolish - are you sure?

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. I'm not a particular fan of the US aid to Israel. That said even if Israel is pissing everyone off - how do you explain the violence that spans over half a millenia that predates Israel?

I do not need to explain it, because I never suggested that the violence only started when Israel came on the scene.
This is why I find it so difficult to converse with you, because you constantly intimate I have said something and then proceed to argue against it. I have told you before that you put words in my mouth, and you deny it. Why do you choose to communicate this way? To what end? Do you somehow feel the need to create a scenario then argue against it in order to feel you are walking away having gained the upper hand - by making a point that was not in question in the first place? Have a think about why you do this, and get back to me.