The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

US Imposes Sanctions On Virtually Entire Iranian Economy:- - https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...e-iran-economy - Just like they did to Japan to force them into WW2?

America is a normal Nation? - Give me strength!

[Murray]

US Imposes Sanctions On Virtually Entire Iranian Economy:- - https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...e-iran-economy - Just like they did to Japan to force them into WW2?

America is a normal Nation? - Give me strength!

A lot of things have changed in 70 plus years

[oldrider]

A lot of things have changed in 70 plus years

True!

This is an interesting clip about possibilities due to some of the recent technological/political changes:- https://www.facebook.com/trunews/vid...3450627394746/ - - Election 2020?

Gotta make it start and turn on the sound (apparently)

Better link:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW3vnrixxJs

[sugilite:Me]

Yep, Barr needs to get the boot.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/nyc-...am-barr-2020-1

[TheDemonLord]

Did you ever watch a dogs show back in the day? If so, think of me as that bloody stroppy belligerent sheep that simply refused to go into that pen the farmer had so carefully crafted.

Stroppy sheep became Delicious Dinner...

Hmmm, "Hey Rogor, I say old chap, have you noticed how 100's of the natives turn their toes up just after we arrive?".

There is definitely an empirical argument there, however remember that 'Back in Blighty' the death rate wasn't much better. I think in the 1800s the prevailing theory was that 'bad air' (Miasma) caused disease, microbiology didn't happen until late in the century.

I'm not saying it makes them not culpable in some manner, only that the notion they knew they were spreading disease is a little bit of a stretch

[TheDemonLord]

You forgot to add, they had no fucking right or legitimate justification to invade the country in the first place.

And?

Are you saying that sovereignty is grounds enough to not intervene to stop Torture?

Because that contradicts your earlier statements - unless you want to articulate what a threshold might be where intervention is justified...

[jasonu]

Hell just froze over. Iran admits making a mistake.
https://ktvz.com/news/2020/01/10/ira...y-report-says/

[Katman]

Are you saying that sovereignty is grounds enough to not intervene to stop Torture?

But they're not stopping torture if they continue to hand over prisoners to local authorities in the knowledge that they'll be tortured.

[oldrider]

Hell just froze over. Iran admits making a mistake.
https://ktvz.com/news/2020/01/10/ira...y-report-says/

Seems there were a lot of miscalculations(?) involved? - Not to worry they were only people that got in the way of stupidity. - Unbelievable?

Trump reportedly told associates he killed Qassem Soleimani because he was under pressure from GOP senators before his impeachment trial:-

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-reporte...162634145.html - Yeah right?

[sugilite:Me]

I should acknowledge the source I'm using there isn't exactly unbiased, however I think the picture illustrates (heh) the point I'm making. As for her Parents circles - I think her Mother is/was an Opera Singer, which is definitely in the milieu of the Left Wing/Arts/Performers and given the status (similar to an Actor) they have contacts that us mere mortals don't.

I'll accept there is a fair amount of inference, but given things that are definite (their support of Antifa as above for example) that confirms their political stances, the rest is reasonable to deduce given their relative status, political beliefs and industry.

Oprah singing, T-shirts and not a lot else in my opinion does not give anywhere enough evidence to support the near first hand knowledge of their total parenting style/history you were expounding.

At the moment, anyway - they are literally a carbon copy of me - which means all of my worst habits they have. Good thing I've got a few more years of being stubborn on them.

Wait until your passed on stubborn meets teenage hormones - then we will talk

Given the type of IT I do, It's borderline a job requirement to have some form of Neural Atypical disorder, there's at least 3-4 people I work with who are on some form of Spectrum. Great people, brilliant at their jobs, can be a right pain to deal with (sometimes) in a way that other people aren't a pain to deal with - but we generally get on - so I'm not sure if you mean personally dealing with as in having the condition or you mean dealing with it as in helping someone who has the condition.

Working with them is entirely different from parenting them me thinks.

[pritch]

But they're not stopping torture if they continue to hand over prisoners to local authorities in the knowledge that they'll be tortured.

Your argument is totally specious. You keep saying that, which may appear superficially reasonable, but is just silly.

To be taken seriously by anybody, possibly even TDL, you need to have an alternative. It's nonsensical to condemn outright the only option.

If you have another solution for dealing with prisoners please let us know. The only two options that come to mind are:
A) to shoot them or,
B) to bring them here.
Both of those options are problematical obviously, although option A would have been used many times in previous conflicts.

If you did some research you'll probably find that handing prisoners to the local authorities is covered in international law which would explain why almost everybody does exactly that.

[Katman]

Your argument is totally specious. You keep saying that, which may appear superficially reasonable, but is just silly.

No, what is specious is trying to justify the invasion of a country due to the fact that it's ruler allows torture - but then allowing the torture to continue unabated after the invasion.

[sugilite:Me]

Stroppy sheep became Delicious Dinner...

Hahaha, yes, I talked to farmers who did lots of sheep trialing, and yes, they did exactly that to them once the trial had ended
However, as I'm sure you are aware, I'm alluding to the fact that you have a strong tendency to misquote/twist peoples words when they do not suit your exact narrative, then spend a quite incredible amount of time building little sheep pens, and proceed to do your best to herd "dissenting" forum members into them. .

There is definitely an empirical argument there, however remember that 'Back in Blighty' the death rate wasn't much better. I think in the 1800s the prevailing theory was that 'bad air' (Miasma) caused disease, microbiology didn't happen until late in the century.

I'm not saying it makes them not culpable in some manner, only that the notion they knew they were spreading disease is a little bit of a stretch

Oh, yes, I'm quite sure that leaving so many dead on multiple islands that there were not enough living left to bury the dead was pretty much a snapshot of equal mortality rates in old 'Back in Blighty'. (possibly queue a reference citing black plauges and so on here - just doing a bit of pre-empting myself hehehe ).
I got that information out a off a multi cited study on that exact subject. I would even post the link, but wait - stand back! I spotted a miniscul handful of political group T- shirt/opera singer tidbits in the report! 99% of it supports what I was saying. 1% does not, and I know full well, you will seize upon that 1% and built one of those sheep pens and chase me around trying to force me into it in the same way you have been chasing Katman for seemingly several hundred posts now.
Deducing from my long and grizzled "Dogs Show" experience - to my observation, that particular sheep is still looking pretty darn sprightly, where upon, both your dogs have died and were buried from sheer exhaustion quite some time ago, and you have long ago run out of resources to get that pen closed - but you carry on, which in it's own small way is to be admired

[mashman]

Your argument is totally specious. You keep saying that, which may appear superficially reasonable, but is just silly.

To be taken seriously by anybody, possibly even TDL, you need to have an alternative. It's nonsensical to condemn outright the only option.

If you did some research you'll probably find that handing prisoners to the local authorities is covered in international law which would explain why almost everybody does exactly that.

Specious? What? Stating that one country knows that another will torture prisoners when handed over? It's a fact. That everyone does it/has done it/somehow sees it as acceptable does not make it specious... in fact it lumps it in with the definition of fucked up. That tdl is mentioned in with such thinking is no surprise, but pritchybabes, you gotta be cage rattlin'.

What happened to prisoners that went home in the old days? Coz they did you know. In fact they went home and were allowed to walk free. Rightly or wrongly they fought in a war, but they were still left to walk the streets with the racial bullshit that followed. What the fuck has happened where we can claim that someone who went to war, rightly or wrongly, should now be subject to incarceration by governments that started the wars in the first place, where in the past the human was allowed to return?

Pointing the finger at Katman? From my perspective you're spitting in the face of why people go to war, rightly or wrongly. No war crime. Let 'em walk! War crime, then yeah, bullet would certainly exist on the scale of crimes committed I would imagine... but hey, it is not a crime to join a war.

[pritch]

From my perspective you're spitting in the face of why people go to war, rightly or wrongly. No war crime. Let 'em walk! War crime, then yeah, bullet would certainly exist on the scale of crimes committed I would imagine... but hey, it is not a crime to join a war.

How you get any of that from what I wrote is beyond me.

Katman has repeatedly said that handing prisoners to the local authority is wrong if torture is the likely outcome.

I just want to see his alternative plan because I don't believe he has one in which case his argument is nonsense. He also wrote that NZ troops were "guilty" and, in the absence of any evidence, that was offensive rubbish.

Prisoners of war were covered under the Geneva Conventions and were to be repatriated at the cessation of hostilities. Terrorists, insurgents, etc, are not so covered, apart from which many do not have somewhere else to be repatriated to. Katman has yet to reveal his plan. I'm not holding my breath