The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Bonez]

Oh dear gutnuthin is at it again. I have attempted to relay my thought processes on Trump to you using words with as few syllables as possible, but you still don't get it
I have actually rapidly hated someone and it takes a hell of a lot of time and energy, and I'm sure not going to waste that on Trump. The key word in your sentence there is "some" and sure he has done "some" good work. And a shit ton of bad work.

Dinial is a dangerous thing Doc. But it can be overcome with time.

[pritch]

It's an ill wind... I don't normally read Charie Kirk, he's too much the RWNJ, but he's startled a lot of people with this:

"Shameful:

While Richard Burr was receiving daily briefings on the Chinese Virus and reassuring Americans that the government was well equipped to handle the virus

...He was also selling off $1.6 million in stocks which later tanked

Should conservatives be okay with this?"

Richard Burr is a Republican senator representing North Carolina and this story is huge there. At the very least he should be investigated by the Securities Commission. Prosecution for insider trading looks a done deal, but is actually difficult to prove. It can be done though, a Trump supporting congressman has just been jailed for insider trading.

[pritch]

Here we go, another one. Senator Kelly Loefler, one of the most wealthy people in the US Senate ,sold off millions worth of stock following the Senate Corovirus briefing while Trump etc were calling it a hoax.

[sugilite:Me]

Dinial is a dangerous thing Doc. But it can be overcome with time.

What exactly is this "Dinial"? Is it related to that big river in Egypt?

[pritch]

What exactly is this "Dinial"? Is it related to that big river in Egypt?

Denial can be a wonderful tool. It can give us time to get used to unpalatable ideas or circumstances. When I used to get infringement notices, be they speeding or parking, I used to screw them up and throw them away then forget about them.

A month later, when the reminder came, any unpleasantness was but a distant memory.

[pritch]

When FOX comes gunning for a Republican the person in question must be in deep shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9csqOf4Ktc

[sugilite:Me]

When FOX comes gunning for a Republican the person in question must be in deep shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9csqOf4Ktc

His real crime was probably failing to give Trump his cut

[Bonez]

What exactly is this "Dinial"? Is it related to that big river in Egypt?

Goodness me it's worse than anyone ever thought.

[sugilite:Me]

Me too, but for different reasons - The Green voter base IMO comes in 2 flavours: The Communists (who I don't like) and people who would like to see things like Cleaner rivers, less (or none) use of 1080 etc. The latter voters (from what I've seen) having seen what the Greens have (or more specifically have not) done when in power are disillusioned with them.

While I'm not a green voter, yes I place a lot of importance on protecting the environment. The Greens have failed, and so has Labor.

As for Vindictive and premeditated - The NZ Police have been trying to re-interpret the laws for a better part of a Decade and when Firearm owners challenged them, the courts repeatedly bitch-slapped the NZ Police. Pre-meditated because those sets of law changes have been on the books for years - some inside sources have suggested that they were drafted as far back as 2017/2018.

I say Vindictive because the entire 'buy back' process by which you had to watch your personal property get destroyed, whilst flanked by armed Police was ENTIRELY a show of force designed to kowtow those evil Firearm loving Owners.

I did not know that. I agree, that is bloody vindictive and bullying. Disgraceful.

Again, I care not for the Trump brand, my point was that you had heard of it and in doing so, you confirm it has recognition and value, which seems to be the requirement for a President.

Team Hitler, his brand is pretty well known?

You say first most people, I say "Drain the Swamp", I'm sure you would be the first to agree that there are many people on both sides of the political machine that have gotten far too comfy with themselves, in regards to them specifically, maybe a little collective kick up the arse is needed.

OK, STOP right there, I'm not letting you get away with that tripe. Trump has fired many a good person for no other reason than having uncomfortable facts to share with him that do not align with his "uninformed wing it" ways. No lock step = no job. Sure, some needed to go, but many did not. He just needed to put aside his ego and listen.

The inspiration part is for the Wider public - Regardless of everything else Trump says or does - do you agree or disagree that he seems to have a genuine and unbridled love for the USA, second only to his love of himself? That love and belief in country is infectious (heh) and does lead to lead to ordinary people doing extraordinary things

Yes, Trump does have genuine love for the USA. It has provided him a wonderful system that lets the wealthy flout and circumnavigate laws that are largely "for the little people". What is not to love for a man such as Trump.

I agree it's killed more - but I think there are a number of factors related to why that is that are not due to the disease itself.

I'm very grateful that you are not in any position to have any sort of influence on how this virus is to be dealt with.[/QUOTE]

Apparently the adjusted fatality rate in Wuhan is around 1%, which again, is bad - I don't want people to die - but we aren't talking the end of civilisation here. The Benchmark IMO will be to see what happens in places like NZ, USA, UK etc. in the next coming months.

You are surely kidding are you not? You are seriously giving weight to stats being released by the same mob that is saying the US military are the ones that spread the virus? You sure seem to cherry pick the stats from where ever - when it suits your position.

Goodness me it's worse than anyone ever thought.

I know right, and all it would take is the cursory use of spell check to decipher your ramblings before posting.

[pritch]

Trump has fired many a good person for no other reason than having uncomfortable facts to share with him that do not align with his "uninformed wing it" ways. No lock step = no job. Sure, some needed to go, but many did not. He just needed to put aside his ego and listen.

When Trump first floated his "Drain the swamp" rhetoric I thought he meant the lobbyists. Those who ensure that almost all of the politicians on both sides of the house are bought and paid for by the various interest groups: the insurance companies, big pharmaceutical companies, firearms manufacturers and the NRA, the Jewish lobby, etc etc. But no, he meant the career civil servants, the diplomatic corps and so on.

He disestablished the Centre for Disease Control and the people who headed that up resigned. He cut funding to the CDC offices in the various departments that had their own people. Just lately he said he didn't know this had happened, but he is on tape answering an earlier question to the effect that he had done it because he didn't like paying people to sit around waiting for something to happen.

There's a seemingly never ending series of appearances currently, he can't have his hate rallies to boost his ego so he goes in front of the cameras with some of his nodding sycophants to get his fix.

His primary response to the crisis is to fuck with the numbers. I feel sorry for the Yanks - the ones who didn't vote for him.

[husaberg]

When Trump first floated his "Drain the swamp" rhetoric I thought he meant the lobbyists. Those who ensure that almost all of the politicians on both sides of the house are bought and paid for by the various interest groups: the insurance companies, big pharmaceutical companies, firearms manufacturers and the NRA, the Jewish lobby, etc etc. But no, he meant the career civil servants, the diplomatic corps and so on.

He disestablished the Centre for Disease Control and the people who headed that up resigned. He cut funding to the CDC offices in the various departments that had their own people. Just lately he said he didn't know this had happened, but he is on tape answering an earlier question to the effect that he had done it because he didn't like paying people to sit around waiting for something to happen.

There's a seemingly never ending series of appearances currently, he can't have his hate rallies to boost his ego so he goes in front of the cameras with some of his nodding sycophants to get his fix.

His primary response to the crisis is to fuck with the numbers. I feel sorry for the Yanks - the ones who didn't vote for him.

To support Trumps frail narcissism, he needs to ensure he surround himself constantly with sycophants.
Drain the swamp means fire all "never a trumpers"

[Katman]

....the Jewish lobby.....

Now if oldrider had said that, the berk would be posting pictures of Goebbels by now.

[husaberg]

Now if oldrider had said that, the berk would be posting pictures of Goebbels by now.

Really? Are you now that detached from reality steve.
You notice how pritch mentioned, all the other lobby groups rather than just solely focusing on one, over an over again in an endless posting of entirely antisemitic posts like Oldracistnonrider does.
What is interesting is, you seem to deem it less offensive for oldracist to post Nazi propaganda, than for him to be to be called an antisemite, or to have Goebbels pics posted.

[Bonez]

Now if oldrider had said that, the berk would be posting pictures of Goebbels by now.

Yip and all those videos the Burk posted are from outfits that were anti Trump prior to the last US presidentual elections. So hardly credible.

[sugilite:Me]

Yip and all those videos the Burk posted are from outfits that were anti Trump prior to the last US presidentual elections. So hardly credible.

You mean the videos that show Trump contradicting himself (Lying) time and time again? But what, because it is CNN or whoever that is showing the videos, it is not credible? Even though it is TRUMP himself who is the one doing the talking on camera? That is beyond shooting the messenger kind of dumb. That is classic gutnuthin dumb right there