Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[BMWST?]

Intersections
my right
self importance

the basic road rules
common sense
give way
Courteous

the standard of all of these is falling dramatically.

and no we can’t chase, someone may get hurt.

there are definitely times and places for speed/overtaking
however most people can’t judge consequences.

there seems to be a whole subset of the population for whom driving is a complete inconvenience.I was following a lady today who i thought was texting or something.When we stopped at some traffic lights it became obvious she was eating something from a large china dinner plate

[eldog]

there seems to be a whole subset of the population for whom driving is a complete inconvenience.I was following a lady today who i thought was texting or something.When we stopped at some traffic lights it became obvious she was eating something from a large china dinner plate

most I have seen don’t need or have an excuse for how they behave.

it has impacted on my riding, I try not to ride around town.

I’d rather drive.

[pete376403]

We have noticed more than the usual number of speed camera tickets coming in for the work vehicles - now they are for only 3 or 4 k over.

Petty, vindictive and no surprise "zero tolerance" was put put in place by a woman cop - seems they feel they have to go harder to prove they are equal. Try and get this sort of reaction when reporting a burglary or assault

I'd love to see civil disobedience attacks on cameras like they do in the UK - hanging burning tyres over the Gatsos.

[Gremlin]

If every body that gets a $30 ticket defended it , The coppers will give up writing them.
It takes the officer about 2 hours to get all the paper work ready for a defended case.
And then He or She has to turn up for court sometimes on there day off.
You will loose a day off work but entertaing

Yeah, the only way I see the police being taught a lesson, after all, public perception does not factor into their decisions (their statement). Once the entire road policing unit are sitting in court lined up for each case, and the courts are backlogged by 6+ months for dozens of $30 tickets a week, perhaps someone with enough power will re-consider. As it is, a decade ago they were trying to limit the number of work licence applications per session as the judges didn't like to see so many in one hit. Imagine case after case of $30 Part of democracy is being allowed a fair defence - including the police disclosing all applicable evidence.

I've got my car set to 1kph tolerance in cruise control settings. It will still allow the car to go more than 5kph faster than a setting and I have to intervene. It's tricky keeping some bikes within a 5kph band, as the slightest adjustment of a light throttle is easily 3-4 kph.

With the reduced limits across Auckland and tolerance removed, it's ridiculous (some areas went from 100kph to 50kph). Glad I've traded the Tuono on an adventure bike though, spend more time exploring gravel, and use the main roads as a means to an end.

[SaferRides]

They've kept that very quiet.

Fixed camera fines will go through the roof. That's what happened last summer with all of the new cameras. But I understood NZTA were taking over the speed cameras?

My prediction - deaths will be down this year as a result of lockdowns, etc and the cops will say it's reduced speed. But it will be a blip and they will increase again next year and continue increasing.

What happened to all of the new median barriers? Unlike over zealous cops, they actually save lives.

[Berries]

What happened to all of the new median barriers?

They finally realised the obvious, they can only afford to treat a teeny weeny section of the network.

I am quite certain there is no link between the lack of funds and lowering of the speed tolerance to increase fines after the drastic and ongoing reduction in posted speed limits across the country. Perhaps the latter was done to alter the pie chart on the Stuff link? Can't have it looking like speed is a factor in less than a third of crashes.

[SaferRides]

Some of the speed limit changes in the Auckland district are mental, although others are reasonable given the housing density on some rural roads.

But 30 km/h on Franklin Road??? So why did they spend all that money on traffic calming when they could have just reduced the limit?

[Berries]

But 30 km/h on Franklin Road??? So why did they spend all that money on traffic calming when they could have just reduced the limit?

It is the way of the future young Luke.

80km/h on country roads
60km/h on the nice and twisty rural roads
40km/h in built up areas
30km/h in shopping areas

You can't argue with the physics involved but fuck me, twice as many people die of suicide than do on the roads, way too many people die too early of manageable illnesses, our DHB is skint and they continue on this focus to try and derail the Darwin theory. Hey, I get paid to be part of this circus but the priorities are all fucked up. 350 dead on the road is I think the price we pay for our access and mobility*. The effort required to get to zero is ludicrous, this is just the start.


*"But what if they were your family?" I don't buy in to that sorry.

[rastuscat]

But 30 km/h on Franklin Road??? So why did they spend all that money on traffic calming when they could have just reduced the limit?

Because the speed that people travel at is a product of many things. The number on the sign is one factor. But largely, people drive at the speed that feels right in the environment they are driving in.

So engineering the environment to slow people down, and reducing the speed limit, are more likely to actually work than just one thing on its own.

I recall Franklin Road as part of my beat back in the day. In 1988 the tolerance was 19 kmh. Until you were doing 70 we wouldn't have even stopped you.

Good old days? Not really. We killed so many more people each year on the roads back then. Lots of change has happened. Better roads, better cars, better enforcement, more education. This speed thing was an inevitable next step as our understanding has changed.

[SaferRides]

Because the speed that people travel at is a product of many things. The number on the sign is one factor. But largely, people drive at the speed that feels right in the environment they are driving in.

So engineering the environment to slow people down, and reducing the speed limit, are more likely to actually work than just one thing on its own.

I recall Franklin Road as part of my beat back in the day. In 1988 the tolerance was 19 kmh. Until you were doing 70 we wouldn't have even stopped you.

Good old days? Not really. We killed so many more people each year on the roads back then. Lots of change has happened. Better roads, better cars, better enforcement, more education. This speed thing was an inevitable next step as our understanding has changed.

Next time you're in Auckland have a drive in the central area. I thought it was just the CBD, which kind of makes sense as you're lucky to do 30 most of the time. But it goes out to the inner suburbs as well.

[roogazza]

It is the way of the future young Luke.
80km/h on country roads
60km/h on the nice and twisty rural roads
40km/h in built up areas
30km/h in shopping areas
You can't argue with the physics involved but fuck me, twice as many people die of suicide than do on the roads, way too many people die too early of manageable illnesses, our DHB is skint and they continue on this focus to try and derail the Darwin theory. Hey, I get paid to be part of this circus but the priorities are all fucked up. 350 dead on the road is I think the price we pay for our access and mobility*. The effort required to get to zero is ludicrous, this is just the start.
*"But what if they were your family?" I don't buy in to that sorry.

Thank christ we lived thru the seventies Berries, what a great time it was to be young and alive !

No tolerance makes no sense , hopefully the young policemen will use their discretion.
I certainly did in my day.

[release_the_bees]

I'm not so worried about the police, as I suspect, in most cases, they will probably use common sense and still allow a slight tolerance. It's the speed cameras that I'm worried about. I'll be bloody grumpy if I get a ticket for doing 51 in a 50 or similar.

If I'm wrong, and the enforcement turns out to be draconian, all it will do is force me onto the back roads even more (they're already my preference) where I'm less likely to be bothered for a minor indiscretion.

To be clear, I pretty much always ride within the speed limit. I've had two speeding fines (both speed cameras) in 20 years of riding - one was for 56 in a 50 on a holiday weekend on a rental bike with a speedo in mph. The other was 94 in an 80.


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[Blackbird]

Good old days? Not really. We killed so many more people each year on the roads back then. Lots of change has happened. Better roads, better cars, better enforcement, more education. This speed thing was an inevitable next step as our understanding has changed.

I don't have a particular problem with speed enforcement as long as the letter of the law is applied with a modicum of common sense. It's a useful tool to help rein in stupidity by members of the motoring public but it's no more than a band aid. Vehicle performance coupled with all the modern distractions and general pace of life has probably widened the gap between the actual riding and driving proficiency required and what is being formally taught to acquire a license. Politicians probably regard a mandated rise in standards as political suicide but until that nettle is grasped, initiatives like this will only be an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff. Over the last 2 or 3 years on KB, I've noticed a real increase in the acceptance of on-going upskilling which is great. Initiatives like R4E have helped in this respect. However, I doubt that the same enthusiasm would be reflected in the general motoring public and maybe it's time to start thinking outside the box to address the wider issue than just punitive means.

[Berries]

To be clear, I pretty much always ride within the speed limit. I've had two speeding fines (both speed cameras) in 20 years of riding - one was for 56 in a 50 on a holiday weekend on a rental bike with a speedo in mph. The other was 94 in an 80.

I'll be brutally honest here and say that I ride for the adrenaline rush it gives me and unfortunately this is often incompatible with the national speed limit. I suspect most people with a modern sports bike are the same, either that or they are hypocrites. There is a time and a place for 'making progress', luckily it is still possible to find both on my daily ride.

My only speeding ticket was in a car. I still blame the bloody kids for that one.

[MD]

Poor timing of this inevitable approach. The nation is suffering from a global pandemic. 2020 will go down as one of the most miserable years in many peoples lives, lost lives, lost jobs, lost freedoms (travel and the like). Right now the Government need the people on side more than ever. We need to work as a team (yeah I hate that team of 5m line too). So this move will just turn people off 'cooperating' with the authorities.

A case that really annoyed me was in the 1st week of lockdown my Wife's boss is a Doctor, a really nice woman. When everyone was forced to stay home, sleeping in, she was off to work at 6.30am on an empty road, a cop pulls her over for doing 58kpm in a 50 zone. A deserted 50kph zone. She was in her medical garb, she's off to work to help sick people. He writes her a ticket for going 8 over. Just when the whole nation was in need of compassion and understanding and all our Government were asking us to 'be kind and considerate'. Clearly he missed that message.