Death toll on the roads is virtually identical to 2019

[F5 Dave]

Jezuz we live in New Zealand. You've been reading too much Australian claptrap. My vest is no worse than my previous bodyarmour.

[rastuscat]

Jezuz we live in New Zealand. You've been reading too much Australian claptrap. My vest is no worse than my previous bodyarmour.

I sweat like a pongo doing a spelling test even in my Airflow suit. The airbag vest eliminates the benefit of a vented jacket.

[OddDuck]

A while ago I went low / no sugar (various reasons), took about two months for the metabolism to re-balance but after that I don't sweat in the heat anything like how I used to. An unexpected benefit. YMMV of course...

What airbag vest, what vented jacket? I've tried the Helite Turtle with both a vented Macna textile jacket and a set of vented Triumph 2-piece sport touring leathers, it actually works pretty well with the vents on both. The Macna uses a mesh frontal area (roughly 40% lost behind the Turtle), the Triumph leathers use flank vents which work out to being just outside the Turtle's coverage. Short cuff gloves are good too although I know there'll be a wasp or bee sometime.

[Jeeper]

Very possible. It seems one gent is riding through the air on a naked roadster, and the other is shielded from the airflow behind a wall of plastic. There would seem to be the potential for them both to experience the same weather conditions very differently.

Not to mention whether one rider is riding in winter or summer. That would be a different experience as well.

[F5 Dave]

Techair 5 and matching leathers.

Saw the Harley crew through Wairarapa today including beardy with open face and no gloves. You could try that rastus?

Of course no gear will save you, but I've crashed enough times racing to appreciate the difference of decent body armour.

[R650R]

Hmmm. Ill try doing 290 kmh to see if it makes a difference.

Dont forget your brolly dolly with her umbrella too and someone else gassing the bike and checking tyres 😂😂😂

[F5 Dave]

I think people would be surprised how physical racing is, either with tight tracks or powerful bikes making keeping them on the track difficult.

Riding in town is the same exertion as being in a car

[rastuscat]

Riding in town is the same exertion as being in a car

Interesting. I've worked on bikes for some years, though not at the moment. A day of riding a bike is more fatiguing than a day of driving a car, IMHO.

Back to the topic, when we stop looking at the number of deaths as being someone else's problem, we can start to do thgings to reduce the problem.

As long as we continue to blame roads, drivers, government, councils, NZTA, ACC, Police, not much will change.

[Bonez]

Interesting. I've worked on bikes for some years, though not at the moment. A day of riding a bike is more fatiguing than a day of driving a car, IMHO.

Back to the topic, when we stop looking at the number of deaths as being someone else's problem, we can start to do thgings to reduce the problem.

As long as we continue to blame roads, drivers, government, councils, NZTA, ACC, Police, not much will change.

Exactly but that is not the KB knitting circles way. They just moan about everyone else.

I do find riding 6hrs more relaxing than driving a car for that long all the same. I'd nod off in a car.

[Navy Boy]

A while ago I went low / no sugar (various reasons), took about two months for the metabolism to re-balance but after that I don't sweat in the heat anything like how I used to. An unexpected benefit. YMMV of course...

What airbag vest, what vented jacket? I've tried the Helite Turtle with both a vented Macna textile jacket and a set of vented Triumph 2-piece sport touring leathers, it actually works pretty well with the vents on both. The Macna uses a mesh frontal area (roughly 40% lost behind the Turtle), the Triumph leathers use flank vents which work out to being just outside the Turtle's coverage. Short cuff gloves are good too although I know there'll be a wasp or bee sometime.

I'm with you - My Helite Airbag vest still allows my vented jacket to breathe fairly well. The big screen I've fitted to my V85 is by far the biggest obstacle in that regard. it doesn't take long for wearing the vest to become second nature and the beauty of it is that you can wear it on different bikes and with different jackets too

[Bonez]

All the fancy riding shit and I just use stuff from the Bunnings HS shelves over my faded old leather jacket or on longer rides my second hand two piece Dainese leathers.

Leather jacket and dayglow yellow vest are fine around town and far better than the shorts, T-shirts and jandels I see riders wearing on a hot on all types of m/cs on warm days.

[R650R]

Interesting. I've worked on bikes for some years, though not at the moment. A day of riding a bike is more fatiguing than a day of driving a car, IMHO.

Back to the topic, when we stop looking at the number of deaths as being someone else's problem, we can start to do thgings to reduce the problem.

As long as we continue to blame roads, drivers, government, councils, NZTA, ACC, Police, not much will change.

THis thread cropped up in my mind watching this glider vid last night...

The aviation industry seems to freely admit their faults and share knowledge so others don’t repeat.
In contrast in trucking it’s usually all hush hush top secret as to why a unit rolled over...
Bikers... oh that crap front tyre or that crappy corner etc...
The big problem with road crash data though is privacy act and insurance legalities...
It’s disturbing though that police perpetuate the road myth though. SH5 is in our news a lot and the cops say take care it’s a “ difficult” road when really it’s not, the tens of thousands of safe journeys completed per week are evidence of that.


That serious crash show was good, never did it show the road as a factor...


Glider vid titled two turns that nearly killed me https://youtu.be/Alk-q4golx0

[rastuscat]

THis thread cropped up in my mind watching this glider vid last night...

The aviation industry seems to freely admit their faults and share knowledge so others don’t repeat.
In contrast in trucking it’s usually all hush hush top secret as to why a unit rolled over...
Bikers... oh that crap front tyre or that crappy corner etc...
The big problem with road crash data though is privacy act and insurance legalities...
It’s disturbing though that police perpetuate the road myth though. SH5 is in our news a lot and the cops say take care it’s a “ difficult” road when really it’s not, the tens of thousands of safe journeys completed per week are evidence of that.


That serious crash show was good, never did it show the road as a factor...


Glider vid titled two turns that nearly killed me https://youtu.be/Alk-q4golx0

The aviation industry has a no-fault investigation process for incidents. As a result, people aren't scared to admit they got something wrong.

As opposed to our road system, where systems (insurance, legal) combine to prevent people from telling the truth, or admitting fault.

It's led to road crashes being poorly understood.

[FJRider]

... or admitting fault.

In most cases ... this is the hard bit.

Admit or say nothing ... Then hope the cop's find something to get them out of the shit.

[Jeeper]

Admiting fault has consequences including insurance liability. But that's only if one has insurance (non-compulsory in NZ).