The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[F5 Dave]

Stupidity will be thier greatest foe.

[FJRider]

Particularly the sections about Informed Consent and how it cannot be made under Duress.

Cannot be ... or SHOULD not be ... ?? But regardless of the wording ... if it's not in LAW ... it cannot be enforced.



If you think it CAN be enforced ... what is the maximum penalty for doing so in NZ ... ??

[FJRider]

Not if you had your way, which is the point.

My word isn't Law. YET.

THAT point you obviously missed.

Currently ... it's only (as you well know) my opinion. An opinion ... that I hope winds you up.

It appears ... I've succeeded ...

Regardless of how you want to spin it - the fact you agreed that Concentration Camps are a good idea for a group you don't like ...

As you well know ... It' NOT FACT ... Currently ... it's only (as you well know) just my opinion. And an opinion that I hope winds you up.

It appears ... I've succeeded ... AGAIN.

And curiously enough all of those posters - They've been awfully quiet on condemning the idea of Concentration Camps - either from the Poll or from your support.

Perhaps they agree.

Complete Red Herring, but I'll indulge you. A Modern Prison is based not on a Group Identity, but on the Individual. You do something stupid, you go to Prison. Your Race/Gender/Religion/Group Characteristic is not the determining factor.

That is the official version actually. A Prison is a community. And such is how the residents are viewed. And how the residents are expected to conform.

[FJRider]

... When you start restricting the rights of a group you disagree with. I'm completely NOT fine with that.

I have not restricted ANY of your rights. Retract that statement.

I'm an Atheist....

Well done to admit that.

I guess that is another God given right you have.

Name is irrelevant. They fit the technical definition and would be wholly immoral.

If they fit the "Technical definition" ... it would be (in a court of law) correct AND Legal.

The most successful change is an appeal to the Majorities Morals and sense of Justice.

And the result of which ... is .. ??

Except I'm Vaccinated, remember?

And haven't the balls to stand with the ones that you claim to support. What "Rights" did YOU lose .. ??

More Red Herrings - but I'll (again) indulge. Sure, Prison Gangs are a thing, and when in Prison one tends to join a Group (if for no other reason than protection). One does not get sent solely to prison on having a Prison Tattoo or belonging to a Gang.

I wasn't talking about prison gangs ...

See the difference?

Did you .. ?? Obviously not.

Not only that, but when the world gets it's sanity back, I can't wait for the Ulawful dismissal cases to start.

Actually ... they OFFICIALLY are on unpaid leave.

NO notice's of dismissal were EVER given. For the reasons of it's illegality.

If and when they get vaccinated ... or the Pandemic ends and some sort of normality returns ... they can/will (if they choose to) return to their workplace.

All comes back to personal responsibility.

To themselves ... and their family's.

Right - and there's a difference in what we are talking about vs what you've posited in this statement.

And a difference between What I posted and you posted.

Your point is .. ??

Someone needs help, asks the Government for it and voluntarily go to a facility/camp to get the help = Great! Our civil society works
Someone doesn't ask for or want 'help', but the Government forces them from their home to attend a camp for an indeterminate amount of time = No better than the Nazis.

If you are talking about Health camps ... Nobody was FORCED to go to them. Most were quite happy about it ... as it was as all concerned .. knew it was in their own best interest. Some didn't go. NO recriminations at all.

I'm quite grateful to Margaret Thatcher if that's what you mean - her policies of de-regulation and free market economics worked wonders.

She'll be glad to hear that ... but she's not the PM anymore.

See above - Big OOF! for you.

The OOF was yours ... did it hurt .. ??

I'm not sure where this obsession with me and Gay men has come from, but I'm starting to think it's some form of Homoerotic projection. In which case - I'm flattered, but no thank you.

Just what I was told. He said he was your boyfriend.

Perhaps I misunderstood what he said.

Back to the question - Now consider there was a disease where the only way to prevent you passing it on was to be fucked up the ass by any of your gay mates.

As you'll have more gay mates than me ... you will probably survive.

ME ... not so much. That's MY personal choice.

See the difference between you doing something voluntarily and the government compelling it?

Those that fail to comply with Government requirements ... will already know what the result will be. AS above ... I may not survive.

Bugger ... eh .. !!!

And the follow-up:

Still waiting for an explanation what ... "baaeing offended" means ...

'Just like you do with me' There's your accusation.

Have you been notified of any complaints of abuse been made by me ... about you .. ?? You're grasping at straws again.

I asked a question ... and you went totally over the top on the defense.

Funny that.

Either put up the evidence (which doesn't exist) or issue an apology and retraction.

As I said ... put up the post I made of accusing you of anything. You can't as there wasn't one.

Any wording that might "Imply" anything ... isn't an accusation.

Just your vivid imagination ... under pressure to prove ANY point.

[Berries]

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Did I?

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Did you?

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[husaberg]

They think the Covid test will kill them.
Just like they think the Covid vaccine will kill them.

Stupidity will be their greatest foe.

[TheDemonLord]

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Well, I laughed...

[TheDemonLord]

Cannot be ... or SHOULD not be ... ?? But regardless of the wording ... if it's not in LAW ... it cannot be enforced.
If you think it CAN be enforced ... what is the maximum penalty for doing so in NZ ... ??

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...edical-records

That's $30k just for accessing records without Consent.

And for reference, in NZ Law, a patient over the age of 16 can refuse medical consent. So if a nurse tried to take a blood sample where you refused consent (and there wasn't a court order), then they could be guilty of Assault.

So to answer your question - whatever the Maximum penalty for whatever they did was.

My word isn't Law. YET.

THAT point you obviously missed.

Currently ... it's only (as you well know) my opinion. An opinion ... that I hope winds you up.

It appears ... I've succeeded ...

As you well know ... It' NOT FACT ... Currently ... it's only (as you well know) just my opinion. And an opinion that I hope winds you up.

It appears ... I've succeeded ... AGAIN.

I said previously - I respect the commitment to winding me up, but when you need to agree with the Nazis, that says more about you than me. I'm very much against the whole Concentration Camps, Group punishment thing.

And again, whilst your word or opinion isn't law, it's the fact you are thinking it.

Perhaps they agree.

Exactly my point.

That is the official version actually. A Prison is a community. And such is how the residents are viewed. And how the residents are expected to conform.

But entry into the Community is based upon an Individuals actions, not group identity.

I have not restricted ANY of your rights. Retract that statement.

Your approval of my rights being restricted is good enough, so no.

Well done to admit that.

I guess that is another God given right you have.

Freedom of Religion is a Natural Right. I can see how this would be confusing. Interestingly enough, It's actually one of the key areas where God-Given rights diverges from Natural Rights - mainly because most religions only grant the God-Given rights to those who believe in their God, whereas the Natural Right extends for anyone to believe whatever they wish.

If they fit the "Technical definition" ... it would be (in a court of law) correct AND Legal.

I bet those hung at Nuremberg wished they had you as their defence Counsel.

"Ackshully Your Honor, The law was correct and legal, therefore the Holocaust was A-Okay."

Yeah.... Nah.

And the result of which ... is .. ??

Ending of Slavery, Gay Rights, Universal Emancipation - I mean, take your pick.

And haven't the balls to stand with the ones that you claim to support. What "Rights" did YOU lose .. ??

And how do you know I don't stand with them? Awfully presumptuous.

What Rights did I loose? The right not to have to prove my medical status to access Goods and Services. The right not to have legalized discrimination on a personal choice.

I wasn't talking about prison gangs ...

Gangs, not gangs - it's still beside the point. People get hauled off to prison based on their actions (with the exceptions of miscarriages of Justice).

Actually ... they OFFICIALLY are on unpaid leave.

NO notice's of dismissal were EVER given. For the reasons of it's illegality.

If and when they get vaccinated ... or the Pandemic ends and some sort of normality returns ... they can/will (if they choose to) return to their workplace.

Ah yes, the Official Line, Totally 100% Legit Guv'nor...

Except there have already been people fired for not complying with Vaccination Mandates.

And a difference between What I posted and you posted.

Your point is .. ??


If you are talking about Health camps ... Nobody was FORCED to go to them. Most were quite happy about it ... as it was as all concerned .. knew it was in their own best interest. Some didn't go. NO recriminations at all.

And there we have it.

Voluntary help = Good.
Enforced Tyranny = Bad.

If there was a Covid Health camp, where anyone (unvaccinated or otherwise) were free to go to, of their own volition, I would have no problem with it (so long as there was absolutely no coercion at all).

But forcing a group to go to a camp because you don't like them, is bad.

She'll be glad to hear that ... but she's not the PM anymore.

Or alive anymore, but the point remains - some of the things she championed I am very grateful for, Contrary to your jab. I mean I could even take it further and say that I'm so very grateful for the inheritance of the British Liberal tradition that I so avidly defend it.

Just what I was told. He said he was your boyfriend.
Perhaps I misunderstood what he said.
ME ... not so much. That's MY personal choice.
Those that fail to comply with Government requirements ... will already know what the result will be. AS above ... I may not survive.
Bugger ... eh .. !!!

And when you loose access to all the things you want to do, will it still be your personal choice?

It will be a Bugger, but don't worry - I'll be there supporting your right not to get fucked by the Government.

I'll leave you to decide which is more insufferable...

And as for the last part - I see a closed quote bracket, with no comment from you.

I'll ask the simple question: Can you provide any evidence that I've ever rep-bombed you with Negative Rep? We both know the answer is you cannot, so all that is left is for you to accept that this was a lie and move on.

[FJRider]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...edical-records

That's $30k just for accessing records without Consent.

And for reference, in NZ Law, a patient over the age of 16 can refuse medical consent. So if a nurse tried to take a blood sample where you refused consent (and there wasn't a court order), then they could be guilty of Assault.

So to answer your question - whatever the Maximum penalty for whatever they did was.

Actually ... MY reply was in regard to your comment ... which was ...

Particularly the sections about Informed Consent and how it cannot be made under Duress.

... that is ... To be given informed consent ... you must know enough about your condition and the treatment or procedure your doctor or other healthcare provider has suggested ... before you can make an "Informed Decision" ...

The bits you quoted above ... have nothing to do with informed consent. Talk about "Red Herrings ...

Nothing in your reply (top) is covered in question of anything remotely about Informed Consent ... and how it cannot be made under Duress in the link you posted ... another "oof" by you.

Or were you just trying to change the subject ... and hope I wouldn't notice .. ???

Some info for you about Informed consent. Note the bit about penalty's if informed consent isn't given.

https://www.mcnz.org.nz/assets/stand...ed-consent.pdf

I said previously - I respect the commitment to winding me up, but when you need to agree with the Nazis, that says more about you than me. I'm very much against the whole Concentration Camps, Group punishment thing.

I lunched at McDonalds in Dunedin today ... not asked for a covid passport. I guess its an essential service now ... and they're not required there.

And again, whilst your word or opinion isn't law, it's the fact you are thinking it.

Knowing some of the laws ... even some obscure ones ... comes in handy at times. It comes under the heading of ... Actually knowing your rights in LAW. And the penalties involved.

Exactly my point.

So ... if the silent majority agree with it ... and a vocal minority do not ... YOU think that makes the vocal minority right ... ??

Really ... ??

But entry into the Community is based upon an Individuals actions, not group identity.

Entry into any community is solely based on personal choices made (sometimes after those personal choices and actions ... THEN entry is court ordered) ... of the person concerned. Be it a "Health camp" ... Prison ... or a retirement village.

Your approval of my rights being restricted is good enough, so no.

I am aghast ... your opinion of my approval so offends me. I demand an apology.

As I'm aware ... you're in Dorkland (I'm not sure how far from Auckland that is) ... so I have NO chance of restricting ANY of your rights or privileges in any way. I would if I could though ... But (sadly) ... I can't ... Sorry to burst that bubble.

Put me on ignore and do not reply to my posts. I will STILL reply to yours though.

Freedom of Religion is a Natural Right.

Said the self declared Atheist ... But believe what you like. Your batting average so far ... suggests you'd be WRONG.

I bet those hung at Nuremberg wished they had you as their defence Counsel.

Or hanging with them ...

"Ackshully Your Honor, The law was correct and legal, therefore the Holocaust was A-Okay."

Yeah.... Nah.

They did what they did as it was required of them in the most part. Many went to extreme lengths to satisfy their their own urges and feelings of power.

That's why the were HUNG.

Ending of Slavery, Gay Rights, Universal Emancipation - I mean, take your pick.

ALL of the above still goes on. And you probably know the places concerned where it does ... but for sure ... it STILL goes on.

And how do you know I don't stand with them? Awfully presumptuous.

If you "Stand with them" and having been fully vaccinated ... it makes you a hypocrite.

If you don't stand with them ... that makes you ... WHAT .. ??

What Rights did I loose? The right not to have to prove my medical status to access Goods and Services. The right not to have legalized discrimination on a personal choice.

If you do not wish to show them anything ... simply don't. That is your right.

Gangs, not gangs - it's still beside the point.

It is if you misquote me ... or be off topic on what I posted ... you get pissed off when I do that to you ...

Ah yes, the Official Line, Totally 100% Legit Guv'nor...

Except there have already been people fired for not complying with Vaccination Mandates.

I haven't ... Have you .. ??

How many have been FIRED for not complying with the Vaccination mandates ... ?? Got a link for that ... or should I ask Hussy ... ??

And there we have it.

Voluntary help = Good.
Enforced Tyranny = Bad.

At the moment ... that is (I wont say solely) just your opinion.

If there was a Covid Health camp, where anyone (unvaccinated or otherwise) were free to go to, of their own volition, I would have no problem with it (so long as there was absolutely no coercion at all).

As far as I'm aware ... there isn't. Those that are UN-vaccinated ... might die of covid anyway. So ... the camps probably wont be required.

But forcing a group to go to a camp because you don't like them, is bad.

I haven't forced anybody to do anything they didn't like to do ... ever. Ok ... there was a time ... and the uniform was green. And I had a rifle.

Once one even got tied up ... but she liked that ...

Or alive anymore, but the point remains - ...

Nah ... and she wasn't around in the times of covid. So who knows what opinions or theories she might have had in these time ... you'll never know for sure. Just guess. As is your usual process if you don't know for sure.

And when you loose access to all the things you want to do, will it still be your personal choice?

If that ever happens ... I'll let you know. I promise.

Unlikely though.

It will be a Bugger, but don't worry - I'll be there supporting your right not to get fucked by the Government.

As I said ... unlikely.

I'll leave you to decide which is more insufferable...

Something MORE insufferable than reading about your winge's and perverted opinions ... unlikely.

And as for the last part - I see a closed quote bracket, with no comment from you.

Which post ?? send me a link by whatever method you choose ... and I will get back to you on it. I promise. I might of missed a comment. Sorry.

I'll ask the simple question: Can you provide any evidence that I've ever rep-bombed you with Negative Rep? We both know the answer is you cannot, so all that is left is for you to accept that this was a lie and move on.

If you can show me the post (or proof) that I accused you of EVER "Rep-Bombing" me (positive or negative) ... I will apologize. .

[F5 Dave]

God, with all this sparring of multi quote posts, do you think the other recipient objectively considers the response or just skims words to multi quote back with more flimflam responses?

No wonder I unsubscribed this thread. Best do it again.

[FJRider]

God, with all this sparring of multi quote posts, do you think the other recipient objectively considers the response or just skims words to multi quote back with more flimflam responses?

No wonder I unsubscribed this thread. Best do it again.

You missed it while you were unsubscribed. Admit it.


You know you like it.

And I bet you can't wait for "The other recipient" to reply.

Go on ... ADMIT IT ...

[FJRider]

They think the Covid test will kill them.
Just like they think the Covid vaccine will kill them.

We live in the hope it will.

Well ... I do.

[husaberg]

God, with all this sparring of multi quote posts, do you think the other recipient objectively considers the response or just skims words to multi quote back with more flimflam responses?

No wonder I unsubscribed this thread. Best do it again.

I prefer the option of sorting the wheat from the chaff with a filter

[FJRider]

Two of your recent complaints/questions ... you recently made to me. Are they in fact two different complaints (put up or shut up) ... or is only one the actual complaint ... and the other is one you made after you got pissed/stoned/other ... and forgot was it was you thought you'd bitched about.

Pick one and report it if you feel the need. Or find proof (like quoted post of mine ... post it here if you find it) ... and we'll go from there.

Finally (speaking of Suspicious) - I noticed that some form of Evidence that I've made any reports about you to the Mods was Lacking. Would you care to issue a retraction?

[I'll ask the simple question: Can you provide any evidence that I've ever rep-bombed you with Negative Rep? We both know the answer is you cannot, so all that is left is for you to accept that this was a lie and move on.

[FJRider]

And as for the last part - I see a closed quote bracket, with no comment from you.

I had a look through the recent quotes I made of yours ... I didn't find one I hadn't replied to.

No reply yet ... from you ... about those other two complaints you made about/to me.