The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[FJRider]

Really .. ??... Pfizers numbers ... Not in the slightest ... Some people are going to die, they always do.

Are you happy to explain to the families of the 1.3% that your fear was more important than the science?

People die in wars too ... it's sorta expected. AND in Pandemics it's expected then too ... Apparently.


In the past I've taken even stricter protocols to stay alive than covid caused. And it's not fear ... just a desire to keep on living my life.

I saw all the jabs and mandates as cheap insurance.

Since the initial lockdown ... I would have spent less than a week actually IN lockdown. I was working ... and off-shift anyway. My lifestyle hasn't changed. I never saw "the Mandates" as any big issue. Still don't. My pay was ALWAYS in my bank on the days it was due.

I lived a more restrictive life in the Army (for less pay) ... with severer penalties if I didn't follow their rules. And more jabs and vaccinations then ... than in the last two years.

All the choices you make in your life are yours to make. And the result of your decisions may affect other peoples lives. I hope it works out for you AND them.

[R650R]

For the time being ... just consider it the NEW normal.

It used to be normal to leave your house ... with nobody there ... for a few days or more. No worries.

Times change ... get over it.



Most of those staying at home by choice were on a Benefit. And they haven't got any money anyway.

They couldn't go far in the early stages of the Pandemic anyway. Everything was closed. The prices the places that are open now ... you need more money to pay the inflated prices they all now charge.



As above ... the new normal. Your health may depend on it.



Businesses have to adapt to changing times ... if they want to stay in business. That hasn't ever changed.

And more changes are coming ... you can bet on it.




If they want to stay in power ...

And when they get back into power after the election ...

That’s got to be the greatest insult to the New Zealand population ever since the Aussies claimed they invented pavalova.

NOBODY was staying at home by choice unless they were the lucky few of us essential workers. The ghost town roads were clear evidence of that!!!
Who are all these people on benefits Labour was claiming record low unemployment

[FJRider]

Who are all these people on benefits Labour was claiming record low unemployment

Probably on a sickness benefit ... if that WAS true.

BUT ...

The Anti-vaxers main claim ... was how the mandates were putting all those people out of work.


So ... that didn't happen.


Who knew ...

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting conversation had recently:

One of my local Subways recently had to close due to staff having to self-isolate.

After they were back up and running, I went to get my usual order - chatting with them (they are still very short staffed) - they were talking how they had to use all their holiday pay to Self-Isolate (bearing in mind these ladies are late teens early 20s):

"I don't understand it - The Government forces me to stay home, but then I have to use my holiday pay to cover my bills"

Me: "Welcome to the Libertarian side of Politics, would you follow a Government law that said you have to jump off a cliff?"

"Well... no"

Me: "Exactly, just because it's law, doesn't mean it's right or moral"

You could see the wheels turning as she pondered it.

[R650R]

Interesting conversation had recently:

One of my local Subways recently had to close due to staff having to self-isolate.

After they were back up and running, I went to get my usual order - chatting with them (they are still very short staffed) - they were talking how they had to use all their holiday pay to Self-Isolate (bearing in mind these ladies are late teens early 20s):

"I don't understand it - The Government forces me to stay home, but then I have to use my holiday pay to cover my bills"

Me: "Welcome to the Libertarian side of Politics, would you follow a Government law that said you have to jump off a cliff?"

"Well... no"

Me: "Exactly, just because it's law, doesn't mean it's right or moral"

You could see the wheels turning as she pondered it.

Still a preferable outcome than to be put on a train to go to “ health camp”

[R650R]

I just accidentky watched govt propoganda on YouTube as as its slightly difficult muting onnphone in time....
“If you are already isolating in a covid positive household (as close contact but negative) and you catch covid you don’t have to add to isolation time unless your symptoms worsen etc

What happened to the horror of asymptomatic super spreaders?????

The wheels are falling off this bus everyday

I wonder if an election year is approaching????

[husaberg]

Still a preferable outcome than to be put on a train to go to “ health camp”

so you are saying the govt should pay for sick leave for people that are sick.
So people dont get sick leave days removed from their sick leave entitlements because they are sick
Sick leave provisions Which exist solely to allow them to take sick days when they are sick or looking after a dependent who is sick and risk spreading that to a customer
Yet you both believe in user pays.....
This ranks high as being a special kind of stupid.


Employment NZ

Sick leave
10 paid days of sick leave per year is available to employees so they can care for themselves or their dependents.
Sick leave is paid time off work if an employee, their spouse, partner, dependent child, or other person who depends on them is sick or injured.

Bussiness.govt. NZ
Sick leave
If your staff members are sick, encourage them to stay home. Not only will it give them a chance to rest and recover, but it will help stop others in your team from getting sick. In the long run, it’ll keep your business more productive.
fter an employee has been working for you for six months, they're legally entitled to at least 10 days' paid sick leave a year.

You must:
allow for employees to accumulate up to 20 days of sick leave. This means employees can carry over 10 days of unused sick leave into the next year
allow employees to use sick leave to care for a sick or injured spouse, partner, dependent child or any other dependent individual
pay a sick employee what they’d get if they’d worked a normal day, including bonuses, overtime etc.
You can:
let employees who’ve worked for you for less than six months take sick leave in advance
choose to let employees carry over extra sick leave, beyond the 20 day requirement from year to year
offer more than 10 days of paid sick leave a year.
Every employee would be entitled to 10 days’ sick leave each year (if they qualify) regardless of working pattern.
Sick leave entitlements(external link) - Employment New Zealand

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3959940/


Mary Mallon was born in 1869 in Ireland and emigrated to the US in 1884. She had worked in a variety of domestic positions for wealthy families prior to settling into her career as a cook. As a healthy carrier of Salmonella typhi her nickname of “Typhoid Mary” had become synonymous with the spread of disease, as many were infected due to her denial of being ill. She was forced into quarantine on two separate occasions on North Brother Island for a total of 26 years and died alone without friends, having evidently found consolation in her religion to which she gave her faith and loyalty.

the Govt also forces them to maintain pesky food safety standards maybe they should not maintain them with your food cooling and prep/cleaning and where they source their ingrediants

[TheDemonLord]

so you are saying the govt should pay for sick leave for people that are sick.
So people dont get sick leave days removed from their sick leave entitlements because they are sick
Sick leave provisions Which exist solely to allow them to take sick days when they are sick or looking after a dependent who is sick and risk spreading that to a customer
Yet you both believe in user pays.....
This ranks high as being a special kind of stupid.

See, here we have your classic Bait and Switch.

Government mandating you to stay at home is not the same as you deciding you are too sick to work.

If the Government is mandating you not to work, then by rights, the Government should foot the bill.

Of course, I also believe the Government shouldn't Pay, which means I believe the Government has no business (heh) mandating when you can and cannot go to work.

[Kickaha]

If the Government is mandating you not to work, then by rights, the Government should foot the bill.

They do, the employer needs to apply for it though

[FJRider]

Interesting conversation had recently:

People still talk to you .. ?? But I guess you being a customer ... they have to I suppose ...

One of my local Subways recently had to close due to staff having to self-isolate.

Obviously not following Covid Pass protocol. The managers fault. Did they ask YOU for YOUR Covid Pass .. ??

After they were back up and running, I went to get my usual order - chatting with them (they are still very short staffed) - they were talking how they had to use all their holiday pay to Self-Isolate (bearing in mind these ladies are late teens early 20s):

Remember ... that is probably their first ever REAL job. They haven't learned to save yet.

And they probably didn't have many paid holidays owing anyway.

How long were they closed for .. ??

"I don't understand it - The Government forces me to stay home, but then I have to use my holiday pay to cover my bills"

NO ... their EMPLOYER forced them to stay home due to poor (Covid protocol) management. They should report him/her.

Me: "Welcome to the Libertarian side of Politics, would you follow a Government law that said you have to jump off a cliff?"

You mean ... Welcome to the REAL WORLD (now). Get over it.

"Well... no"

Stupid questions ARE your forte ... and they gave the correct answer.

Me: "Exactly, just because it's law, doesn't mean it's right or moral"

And it's NOT a LAW. It never HAS been a LAW.

AND ... it will NEVER be LAW in NZ.

Morality is up to the individual to decide. And I can't see it being YOUR strong point. But there ARE some Laws on that subject in NZ though.

You could see the wheels turning as she pondered it.

More like ... they were probably thinking ... what sort of (fat ??) fuck-wit have we got here.

[FJRider]

so you are saying the govt should pay for sick leave for people that are sick.
So people dont get sick leave days removed from their sick leave entitlements because they are sick
Sick leave provisions Which exist solely to allow them to take sick days when they are sick or looking after a dependent who is sick and risk spreading that to a customer
Yet you both believe in user pays.....
This ranks high as being a special kind of stupid.

Those sort of work places often include sick leave and holiday pay in their wages. It makes their pay rate look good. But NOT really.

The employee's concerned ... should read their employment contract. It spells out exactly what they are entitled to.


Which ... if TDL had half a brain ... that is what HE should have told them.

[F5 Dave]

Jesus I can't imagine people talk to tdl in meat space. You would think that they would run a mile.

[husaberg]

Jesus I can't imagine people talk to tdl in meat space. You would think that they would run a mile.

i can imagine them thinking through how he said they need not obey those pesky govt rules which include washing their hands after the toilet, refrigerating or properly cooking the meat and checking temps in the fridge or not working while they have dysentery, all the while, whilst they make him his footlong meatball and botulism sub.
You know just because foot safety is in the law....... surely they can just do as they feel.....

[TheDemonLord]

i can imagine them thinking through how he said they need not obey those pesky govt rules which include washing their hands after the toilet, refrigerating or properly cooking the meat and checking temps in the fridge or not working while they have dysentery, all the while, whilst they make him his footlong meatball and botulism sub.
You know just because foot safety is in the law....... surely they can just do as they feel.....

And let's run this thought experiment:

What happens next? Let's leave the Government out of it for the sake of the experiment (so no Council or safety inspectors):

People stop going, their franchise licence is revoked and they loose money and go bust.

[TheDemonLord]

Obviously not following Covid Pass protocol. The managers fault. Did they ask YOU for YOUR Covid Pass .. ??

Perk of being a regular, they did try at one point - then they realised they like my Money more than they like my arguments.

Remember ... that is probably their first ever REAL job. They haven't learned to save yet.

And they probably didn't have many paid holidays owing anyway.

How long were they closed for .. ??

10 days mandatory shut down.

NO ... their EMPLOYER forced them to stay home due to poor (Covid protocol) management. They should report him/her.

No, it was most definitely the Government self-isolation rules that forced them to stay home.

Stupid questions ARE your forte ... and they gave the correct answer.

Is it a Stupid question though? When we have all the other factors (late teens, early twenties, double vaccinated, Mask wearing, no physical impairment from catching it etc. etc.) it's no more or no less stupid.

And it's NOT a LAW. It never HAS been a LAW.

AND ... it will NEVER be LAW in NZ.

Morality is up to the individual to decide. And I can't see it being YOUR strong point. But there ARE some Laws on that subject in NZ though.

Indeed Morality is up to the individual.

More like ... they were probably thinking ... what sort of (fat ??) fuck-wit have we got here.

They know me quite well in there - hence why they felt comfortable enough to complain that they were forced to stay home and were forced to use their holiday pay for it.