Jacinda

[FJRider]

Completely agree - which is why I support your natural right to self-defence

Unless you believe the "Self Defense" rules can be applied in a motor vehicle (not entirely a bad thing) ... changing the subject wont win you the argument.

Depends how you frame it:

I think I framed you pretty well actually.

I want everyone to live their lives as they see fit. I'm pleased when they succeed, I'm disapointed when they don't, where I have absolutely *zero* empathy, is when you've been given sound advice, ignored it and then suffered the consequences.

Then let them continue with their pathetic self centered lives then. And I wouldn't blame anyone ... that might choose to run those self centered pricks off the road. Totally accidentally ... of course.

Some seem to forget that sometimes ... the vehicle they're driving ... is not entirely suitable for enforcing their own position on the road.

Does it mean I directly give a flying fuck about anyone else? Unless they are directly beholden to me, not really.

So ... as I said. You don't.

But, that doesn't mean I don't want the best for them, I'm just unwilling to violate their right to irrevocably fuck their life up to do what I think is best for them.

If their intent is seen to be trying to irrevocably fuck up my life ... I'M not going to sit around and let them.

And that difference happens to be very important.

If you believe enforcement of stricter Road Traffic laws is violating any of your own rights to freedom of movement .... hold onto you hat. Because it certainly ain't going to get any better ... any time soon.


Good luck with trying (whinging) though ...

[R650R]

Sadly some people are just too stupid to look after themselves or anybody else. So because of them we have mandates. The idiots that are complaining are the very fuckwits that necessitate us having mandates.

We have a generations long pandemic of alcohol and sugar related deaths and serious illness yet no govt action that restricts usage.

We have a pandemic of gang violence but no laws stopping gang members going into other gangs turf. No laws on wearing wrong colour so in wrong neighbourhood.

We have a pandemic of drowning but no laws restricting people’s access to beach or rivers.

We have a pandemic of road deaths but let just about any fool “pass” a driving “ test”

We have a pandemic of domestic violence. Bashed the missus and she’s to scared to press charges, oh just go stay at mates place for 1-3 days then come back and do it again.

[pritch]

We have a generations long pandemic of alcohol and sugar related deaths and serious illness yet no govt action that restricts usage.

We have a pandemic of gang violence but no laws stopping gang members going into other gangs turf. No laws on wearing wrong colour so in wrong neighbourhood.

We have a pandemic of drowning but no laws restricting people’s access to beach or rivers.

We have a pandemic of road deaths but let just about any fool “pass” a driving “ test”

We have a pandemic of domestic violence. Bashed the missus and she’s to scared to press charges, oh just go stay at mates place for 1-3 days then come back and do it again.

It's a minor detail, but unlike COVID none of those are contagious diseases.

Your logic is similar to that used by Marjory Taylor Greene - and she's an idiot.

[TheDemonLord]

It's a minor detail, but unlike COVID none of those are contagious diseases.

I mean, whilst technically correct, I've lost count how many times certain left-wing outlets talk about intergenerational violence, Alcoholism should be treated as an Illness, not a personal choice etc.

So, since they've already set the standard, I'm more than happy to abuse that standard to argue against it.

[R650R]

Posted here cause it would have been commissioned on her watch...,

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/13166...air-force-base

Now they say it’s just a storage facility but use the word “processing” in the article....
And it’s so benign and boring that it’s not safe to say how many people will be working there....
It’s just a storage facility so we built it on most expensive defence force real estate we have...

Surely there’s existing infrastructure we could have whacked a few hard drives into...

[F5 Dave]

Bet you are all thinking. Because I'm not as retarded as to read what you say.; That she was the most popular since mmp started. Fact. Or probably ever.
You have to acknowledge successful leadership.

So guessing you are a fan.

Or a sad old git. Which is it?

[TheDemonLord]

Bet you are all thinking. Because I'm not as retarded as to read what you say.; That she was the most popular since mmp started. Fact. Or probably ever.
You have to acknowledge successful leadership.

So guessing you are a fan.

Or a sad old git. Which is it?

She was indeed popular - as many people bought into the fiction that was her 'excellent Covid Policy'

Then reality happened.

Then she resigned due to people suddenly realizing they'd been eating a shit sandwhich all along.

Just a few of us could see the shit from the beginning.

[R650R]

Bet you are all thinking. Because I'm not as retarded as to read what you say.; That she was the most popular since mmp started. Fact. Or probably ever.
You have to acknowledge successful leadership.

So guessing you are a fan.

Or a sad old git. Which is it?

So popular we had our first ever mostly peaceful BBQ and occupation of parliament grounds. Anyone could be most popular if they over promised against whatÂ’s they actually can deliver.
A dictatorship is not leadership.
A good leader would have gotten VOLUNTARY uptake of masks, social distancing, tracking and vaccines. A good leader would have made their own decisions after quickly weighing up options.
Jacinda decided to close our borders (aftercletting the virus in for a few weeks first) after a suggestion from a friend in the UK....
In the end the leader FORCED via threat of fines/jail/jobloss the lifesaving options slowly in a piecemeal fashion.
Stalin was a good leader too you didnÂ’t hear anyone complaining in public about him.
Jacinda was such a good leader she needed five press secretaries to fend off the mediaÂ’s questions about where our 100,000 new homes are....
Jacinda cashed in on several major crisis events (itÂ’s not hard to just turn up and show a bit of empathy and fill the blanks in about inquiry/legislation change etc) but on real issues could never answer a straight question.
I listed a book in the other thread that had leadership components. The big takeaway was that good leadership is about removing barriers and helping the team reach their goals.
All Jacinda did was create one barrier after another to people getting on with their lives.

IÂ’m a happy old git actually cause weÂ’ll never experience anything this bad again unless the greens take power.

[sugilite:Me]

Then she resigned due to people suddenly realizing they'd been eating a shit sandwhich all along.

Just a few of us could see the shit from the beginning.

Yeah, for sure she had become un-electable, and did the right thing and resigned. Good on her, putting her party first ahead of her ego.

There is another leader who has become un-electable too, refuses to resign, ego just waaaaay to big. The name just escapes me now - hmmmmm, who could it be?

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, for sure she had become un-electable, and did the right thing and resigned. Good on her, putting her party first ahead of her ego.

There is another leader who has become un-electable too, refuses to resign, ego just waaaaay to big. The name just escapes me now - hmmmmm, who could it be?

That's one perspective, suffice to say, I have a different perspective.

Something about making a bed and then not sleeping in it. Something like walking away from the mess you created.

[husaberg]

Yeah, for sure she had become un-electable, and did the right thing and resigned. Good on her, putting her party first ahead of her ego.

There is another leader who has become un-electable too, refuses to resign, ego just waaaaay to big. The name just escapes me now - hmmmmm, who could it be?

I can see why the name would be hard to remember, that party have ran 4 previous leaders as well plus the current one against her that were proven to be unelectable....

i don't know why he gave up acting, he was awesome in speedo cops.

He is by their own admission the best they have and he was even a member of the party until a few years ago.....

[R650R]

A bit of a kerfuffle has erupted about an image of ex-prime ministr Adern appearing on a tiolet seat. A bit of silliness that had about zero exposure as the demographic of rotary club means their Facebook page prob doesn’t get viral viewcounts.
But thanks to fluff new stuff and an excuse to use the M word it’s been blown up in to more than it is. Funny though that there hasn’t never been the same indignation for the 44th president of the USA being on tiolet paper that prob even appeared in ads on news media websites.

[onearmedbandit]

A bit of a kerfuffle has erupted about an image of ex-prime ministr Adern appearing on a tiolet seat. A bit of silliness that had about zero exposure as the demographic of rotary club means their Facebook page prob doesn’t get viral viewcounts.
But thanks to fluff new stuff and an excuse to use the M word it’s been blown up in to more than it is. Funny though that there hasn’t never been the same indignation for the 44th president of the USA being on tiolet paper that prob even appeared in ads on news media websites.

bUt It'S a WoMaN So It MuSt Be MiSoGyNiStIc

[husaberg]

bUt It'S a WoMaN So It MuSt Be MiSoGyNiStIc

I think you missed the bit why it was a bad look for the rotary club to do this rather than a lobby group or individual.

Rotary is a non-political and non-religious organization open to all people regardless of race, colour, religion, gender, or political preference
Rotary International is one of the largest service organizations in the world. Its stated mission is to "provide service to others, promote integrity, and advance world understanding, goodwill, and peace through fellowship of business, professional, and community leaders

But yeah fraser enjoy that woosh sound... and the attempt by kb's resident Russian supporting covid denying mysgonistic troll to make it about something different than it is.

[onearmedbandit]

I think you missed the bit why it was a bad look for the rotary club to do this rather than a lobby group or individual.



But yeah fraser enjoy that woosh sound... and the attempt by kb's resident Russian supporting covid denying mysgonistic troll to make it about something different than it is.

Once again you assume far too much, it was a comment in general not specifically about that one event.