Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

There does seem to be some reasonable correlation between the Covid Vaccine and Heart issues. However, that seems to be more related to Covid than the type of Vaccine. IIRC, people who got Covid and recovered had a higher incidence of heart issues before the Vaccine.

Which would lead to a speculation that part of how the Virus affects the body does include the heart.

There have been people who have died from heart conditions as a direct result of the vaccine - not from Covid.

Rory Nairn springs to mind.

It is an indisputable fact that the Covid vaccine can lead to myocarditis and pericarditis.

Pfizer's own test data confirms that.

[nerrrd]

Which ones might they be?

That the mRNA vaccines are linked to adverse heart conditions?

For sure that's a known side effect.

Myocarditis and pericarditis

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, while pericarditis is inflammation of the tissue forming a sac around the heart. These conditions are usually caused by viral infections (including COVID-19), but they are also very rare and serious side effects of the Pfizer and Novavax vaccines.

But there's plenty of other drugs your average professional footballer would be exposed to which could be a contributing factor (legal and illegal).

That's the thing about modern medicine, it's wildly successful at treating most things, certainly compared to what went before it, but it's never 100% successful. If you happen to be one of the rare cases that buck the overall trend, it's certainly a tragedy for you and your loved ones. Meningitis killed my brother in the space of 24 hours, for no apparent reason other than he was really, really unlucky.

There appears to be a general impression these days that everything and anything should be easy to diagnose and and cure (short of cancer), I'm not sure how much the media, the medical profession themselves or the endless medical dramas on TV are responsible for that, but it's not always the case. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, though.

[Katman]

That's the thing about modern medicine, it's wildly successful at treating most things, certainly compared to what went before it, but it's never 100% successful. If you happen to be one of the rare cases that buck the overall trend, it's certainly a tragedy for you and your loved ones.

And that's precisely why mandating medical procedures is immoral.

[TheDemonLord]

There have been people who have died from heart conditions as a direct result of the vaccine - not from Covid.

Rory Nairn springs to mind.

It is an indisputable fact that the Covid vaccine can lead to myocarditis and pericarditis.

Pfizer's own test data confirms that.

If Covid attacks the heart (as well as the lungs), then it stands to reason that an adverse reaction to the Covid Vaccine would include risk(s) to the heart.

[TheDemonLord]

And that's precisely why mandating medical procedures is immoral.

Absolutely agree, It is the line we should never cross.

[Katman]

If Covid attacks the heart (as well as the lungs), then it stands to reason that an adverse reaction to the Covid Vaccine would include risk(s) to the heart.

Considering Covid 19 was present for almost a year before the vaccine was delivered at the Speed of Warp, I would have expected there to be studies published prior to the vaccine rollout that documented myocarditis and pericarditis due to Covid infection.

But I can't find any.

What I can find is this study of unvaccinated people which appears to show no significant difference of myocarditis or pericarditis incidence between the infected group and the uninfected control group.

https://sciencescholar.us/journal/in...cle/view/11049

I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm misreading the study.

[pritch]

Considering Covid 19 was present for almost a year before the vaccine was delivered at the Speed of Warp, I would have expected there to be studies published prior to the vaccine rollout that documented myocarditis and pericarditis due to Covid infection.

But I can't find any.

What I can find is this study of unvaccinated people which appears to show no significant difference of myocarditis/pericarditis incidence between the infected group and the uninfected control group.

https://sciencescholar.us/journal/in...cle/view/11049

I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm misreading the study.

I didn't look for any studies but I do recall a news report detailing several college football players being affected by heart problems following a dose of COVID.

[Katman]

I didn't look for any studies but I do recall a news report detailing several college football players being affected by heart problems following a dose of COVID.

What I'd like to see is documented evidence of myocarditis or pericarditis due to Covid infection, prior to the vaccine rollout.

Your anecdotal 'news report' is worthless.

[pritch]

What I'd like to see is documented evidence of myocarditis or pericarditis due to Covid infection, prior to the vaccine rollout.

Your anecdotal 'news report' is worthless.

Worthless but it was factual. Serious question: what do you think of the sovereign citizen people?

[Katman]

Serious question: what do you think of the sovereign citizen people?

I don't have any opinion on it.

[nerrrd]

And that's precisely why mandating medical procedures is immoral.

Those of us who are otherwise healthy spend about as much time reading the extensive lists of possible side effects for any given medication we've been recommended to take as we do reading the terms and conditions for installing apps etc on the internet, which is to say, basically none.

We're all taking a risk every time we take any new medication. Modern medicine would not be as effective as it is without tolerance for that risk.

[Katman]

Those of us who are otherwise healthy spend about as much time reading the extensive lists of possible side effects for any given medication we've been recommended to take as we do reading the terms and conditions for installing apps etc on the internet, which is to say, basically none.

And I'd suggest that if that's the amount of attention someone pays to the possible side effects of an experimental gene therapy procedure then that someone probably deserves all they might get.

[pritch]

I don't have any opinion on it.

I do. They are deluded. Conspiracy theorists are very similar.

[onearmedbandit]

And I'd suggest that if that's the amount of attention someone pays to the possible side effects of an experimental gene therapy procedure then that someone probably deserves all they might get.

Are you saying that the covid vaccine was gene therapy? I did a quick search and found lots of results that dismiss this claim. I have no knowledge in the field so rely on those that do, such as this source (appears to).

http://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs...ene-therapies/

[mashman]

Worthless but it was factual. Serious question: what do you think of the sovereign citizen people?

Worthless and irrelevant given that some sovereign citizens also chose to get vaccinated.