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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    We? You know that. Normal people don't. Jack was accused of being right wing. Holidaying in Myanmar? That doesn't sound like a leftie paradise.
    I mean, I made the point back in what, 2018-2019? That Twitters policy around misgendering someone was enshrining a Left-Wing viewpoint.

    We have the infamous discussion between Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde and Tim Pool on Joe Rogans podcast - whereby Tim made the same argument - you have a rule that only punishes one side of the argument - you have Bias. Vijaya Gadde had no come back for that, except to say (in the most Corporate of Corporate legal speak) - We will take that feedback onboard (which I think we all know what she meant).

    Interestingly enough, what that Interview showed, IMO, was that what happened was the middle-management got free reign to implement their policies.

    The Twitter files showed that there were, in fact, internal Blacklists that restricted certain account (almost entirely Right Wing) from posting Content.

    We had the numerous examples of people breaching Twitters ToS and retaining their accounts because they were Left-wing, whereas people on the Right getting their accounts suspended for the sole crime of being Right Wing.

    The only people that accused Jack of being Right Wing were Communist woke-scolds.

    He is just like most of the other Tech Billionaires and Joe Rogan himself - Libertarian, Ex-Hippy types, Not the traditional Right Wing - very much what used to be considered the Left Wing, the 90s era Democrat position (Just like Trump, Elon, Myself etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    My apologies, what you actually said was "Organizing the end of the Middle East Wars is another,". That is a pretty bloody compelling and finite statement - yes?
    Curious, isnt it.


    Hamas launch a massive attack on Israel, under Biden.
    Israel launch a retaliation campaign, under Biden.

    cue all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from both sides.

    Then, the week of Trumps innauguration, They agree to a ceasefire and right before Trump becomes president, they exchange Prisoners.

    The imagery of two brothers fighting each other tooth and nail and then standing up straight like nothing happened because they hear Dad open the front door is very apt.

    We will wait to see what happens in Russia and Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post

    The imagery of two brothers fighting each other tooth and nail and then standing up straight like nothing happened because they hear Dad open the front door is very apt.

    We will wait to see what happens in Russia and Ukraine.
    Your grotesque gloating over this tragedy of humanity that has left the palastinian people with no hospitals and countless dead children being characterised by you as being squabbling brothers sorted out by daddy trump shows you to be the callous right wing stooge that you are.

    Trump has 24 hours to sort out the Ukraine Russia war to achieve his stated goal. Any longer is failure measured by his stated time line to get it done.

    Convicted felon Trump just pulled the classic crypto rug pull on his suckered supporters and the trump saves tik tok despite being the instigator of it being banned has president Musk's China iinterests front and centre. The fact that tik tok shut themselves down only to release a "thank you for saving us vice president Trump" dick sucking press release. What a fucking charade which adds no end of weight to my assertion that this trump "presidency" is just one big scripted reality tv show by design. But hey, I'm sure the chinese government having a massive influence over young American minds with their algorithm will be well worth Musk getting ever richer.

    This post of yours has not showered you with glory. Wake the fuck up and open your eyes sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Your grotesque gloating over this tragedy of humanity that has left the palastinian people with no hospitals and countless dead children being characterised by you as being squabbling brothers sorted out by daddy trump shows you to be the callous right wing stooge that you are.
    Is it a tragedy of Humanity when it is entirely self-inflicted?

    But even if you assume the worst intentions of my post (which I am not going to entirely disagree with) - the fact that I am celebrating a ceasefire contradicts the point you are making.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Trump has 24 hours to sort out the Ukraine Russia war to achieve his stated goal. Any longer is failure measured by his stated time line to get it done.
    I think I said a wee while ago that I did not think the Day 1 claim was realistic - but if there is a Ceasefire in the Ukraine - will you concede that Trump being in power was a factor?

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Convicted felon Trump just pulled the classic crypto rug pull on his suckered supporters and the trump saves tik tok despite being the instigator of it being banned has president Musk's China iinterests front and centre. The fact that tik tok shut themselves down only to release a "thank you for saving us vice president Trump" dick sucking press release. What a fucking charade which adds no end of weight to my assertion that this trump "presidency" is just one big scripted reality tv show by design. But hey, I'm sure the chinese government having a massive influence over young American minds with their algorithm will be well worth Musk getting ever richer.

    This post of yours has not showered you with glory. Wake the fuck up and open your eyes sport.
    The whole TikTok thing is curious to me - I am not a user of that platform, I will agree that the ban and releases have the air of political theatre and charade about them.

    To what end, I am not sure, my gut tells me that there is more going on here. I suspect one element is simple flexing on China: We can snap our fingers and turn you off and back on at will.

    But I feel TikTok is more being used as a pawn in a wider game of chess. Apparently China has been building up a force of Amphibous landing craft in the port closest to Taiwan.

    The sort of thing one would do if the US president (Biden) had terrible foreign Policy and China thought they could pull a fast one.

    We will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    But hey, I'm sure the chinese government having a massive influence over young American minds with their algorithm will be well worth Musk getting ever richer.
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    Not on TikTok but pretty sure the same garbage and soft porn hoes are on all the American owned platforms like Instagram, Facebook and YouTube. The real issue is one of education and societal acceptance these platforms.
    Dare I say it but IÂ’d say Hollywood and Netflix are prob doing a far greater job of corrupting minds than China, hell even Disney has a few things to answer for..,
    Btw the original ban was only about ownership, if they sold to an American buyer you can guarantee the same trash content would be on there just BidenÂ’s mates would be getting rich.
    The ban wasnt so much about national security as a badly disguised colonial digital land grab.
    Not publicly traded yet but you can buy shares in two NYSE firms that own part of TikTok and then perhaps raise concerns at next shareholder meeting.

    https://www.fool.com/investing/stock...stocks/tiktok/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Is it a tragedy of Humanity when it is entirely self-inflicted?

    But even if you assume the worst intentions of my post (which I am not going to entirely disagree with) - the fact that I am celebrating a ceasefire contradicts the point you are making.



    I think I said a wee while ago that I did not think the Day 1 claim was realistic - but if there is a Ceasefire in the Ukraine - will you concede that Trump being in power was a factor?



    The whole TikTok thing is curious to me - I am not a user of that platform, I will agree that the ban and releases have the air of political theatre and charade about them.

    To what end, I am not sure, my gut tells me that there is more going on here. I suspect one element is simple flexing on China: We can snap our fingers and turn you off and back on at will.

    But I feel TikTok is more being used as a pawn in a wider game of chess. Apparently China has been building up a force of Amphibous landing craft in the port closest to Taiwan.

    The sort of thing one would do if the US president (Biden) had terrible foreign Policy and China thought they could pull a fast one.

    We will see.
    Like everything it was all about money . The original ban legislation gave TikTok an out if it sold into American ownership $$$$$$$$$$$$.
    If it’s anything like Fakebook it’s a money printing machine. FB keeps an astonishing 82% of its ad revenue as pure profit. But of course money would never be the motivation for any USA politician.,

    For those suffering from envy rage of billionaires success you can now easily buy fractional shares of these big companies and have your equitable slice of the pie and eat it too.

    Btw China war scheduled for 2027, by then their naval fleet numbers will have amassed a huge superiority over USA. USA has about zero meaningful ship building capacity to even think about catching up.
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    Relax. Trump will sell them Taiwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Btw China war scheduled for 2027, by then their naval fleet numbers will have amassed a huge superiority over USA. USA has about zero meaningful ship building capacity to even think about catching up.
    There is a lot of nuance here.

    I see this a lot - China has more ships (ostensibly) but that is because of figure fiddling. Although the dual-use policy for all ferries to have a Troop Carrying capability is interesting.

    The real issue though is Aircraft Carriers, Nuclear Submarines and Destroyers.

    Aircraft Carriers being the big one - China has 2-3 Carriers, the US has 11.

    The Lead time for a Carrier is years.

    Now, I will grant you that some defense analysts that I listen to have talked about the fact that US Shipbuilding is not where it needs to be, the Arleigh Burke classes are getting older and due to fleet numbers are not getting the right amount of rotation and maintenance that they should be (causing excess wear) etc. So there is an element of truth there - but the notion that the Chinese Navy will be a threat to the US by 2027 is, IMO, Laughable.

    And I mean that from a Tonnage PoV, a numbers PoV, a Capability PoV - and what we are seeing with Russia in Ukraine - that the capabilities of Eastern Bloc equipment is simply lacking. Systems down because of parts availability and maintenance issues, Systems not working how they should etc.

    Finally - Trump has vowed to invest more in Shipbuilding.
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    Musk will push for drones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Musk will push for drones.
    Already happening but it’s coming from people much more successful than Musk (thankfully).

    In the background of Ukraine lots has been happening. The next “Elon musk” of the world is Palmer Luckey a genuinely clever guy. He got rich designing oculuS VR which got bought out by meta. His defence company Anduril has just committed to a one billion dollar drone/missile factory in Ohio creating 4000 jobs.
    Other big names in this space are Redcat and Palantir with the latter essentially being the real world version of the computer in popular tv series Person of Interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Musk will push for drones.
    Which is probably reasonable to a degree.

    Ukraine has shown that Drones are an effective tool and especially for the pricepoint. Until someone comes up with a cost-effective anti-drone solution (especially at the squad level), then investment in military Drones is prudent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    There is a lot of nuance here.

    I see this a lot - China has more ships (ostensibly) but that is because of figure fiddling. Although the dual-use policy for all ferries to have a Troop Carrying capability is interesting.

    The real issue though is Aircraft Carriers, Nuclear Submarines and Destroyers.

    Aircraft Carriers being the big one - China has 2-3 Carriers, the US has 11.

    The Lead time for a Carrier is years.

    Now, I will grant you that some defense analysts that I listen to have talked about the fact that US Shipbuilding is not where it needs to be, the Arleigh Burke classes are getting older and due to fleet numbers are not getting the right amount of rotation and maintenance that they should be (causing excess wear) etc. So there is an element of truth there - but the notion that the Chinese Navy will be a threat to the US by 2027 is, IMO, Laughable.

    And I mean that from a Tonnage PoV, a numbers PoV, a Capability PoV - and what we are seeing with Russia in Ukraine - that the capabilities of Eastern Bloc equipment is simply lacking. Systems down because of parts availability and maintenance issues, Systems not working how they should etc.

    Finally - Trump has vowed to invest more in Shipbuilding.
    Aircraft carriers are obsolete outside of beating up on third world nations. The Russians learnt the hard way in Ukraine about how vulnerable a blue water fleet is to new tools like surface drone boats.
    Even the Americans are sweating it over the houthis.
    In the confined space of Taiwan area the us fleet would be a sitting duck to swarm attacks from multiple ballistic systems.
    The Israel conflict has shown swarm attacks by low tech weapons s can overwhelm the “ best of best “ fancy systems.


    Trump has vowed to invest but it will take time, China is already cranked up to speed and its control on supply chain has switched off the supply of many crucial metals and rare earth elements needed for western tech weapons.
    I think weÂ’ll actually see a negotiated new peace/trade deal. Trumps about doing business and wars are expensive loss making exercises.
    One Chinese ballistic missile through the roof of Taiwan Semiconductor factories would send west back to dark ages, just look at chip shortages after covid. And in the west we wouldnÂ’t stomach the severe losses inflicted, our societies would break down.
    Just look at how public reacted to lives lost in Vietnam/iraq which would pale in numbers compared to conflict with China. And Ukraine has shown itÂ’s all about numbers despite western hi tech weapons of your a smaller population thereÂ’s always only going to be x amount of people suitable for combat duty. A country of 330 million with obesity problem is not going to win against 1.4 billion whose while lives have always been hard work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Aircraft carriers are obsolete outside of beating up on third world nations. The Russians learnt the hard way in Ukraine about how vulnerable a blue water fleet is to new tools like surface drone boats.
    Even the Americans are sweating it over the houthis.
    In the confined space of Taiwan area the us fleet would be a sitting duck to swarm attacks from multiple ballistic systems.
    The Israel conflict has shown swarm attacks by low tech weapons s can overwhelm the “ best of best “ fancy systems.
    Not really - Looking at the sinking of the Moskva (for example) - lack of maintanence and spare parts lead many systems to be offline.

    Swarm attacks are one of the things that a US Carrier fleet is designed to defend against.

    The Houthis, despite repeat attempts, have not done anything meaningful to the US - and the US is not exactly showing its real hand here:

    There is a theory that the US is deliberately not using its full capability to defend here because it is not needed but also because the people subsidising the Houthis are trying to bait the US into revealing the real extent of their capabilities in order to gather intel.

    In order to get into Swarm attack range - you have to get through a perimeter of F35s, supported by Hawkeyes. That also assumes that the US allows an enemy to get into a position to attack in the first place.


    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Trump has vowed to invest but it will take time, China is already cranked up to speed and its control on supply chain has switched off the supply of many crucial metals and rare earth elements needed for western tech weapons.
    I think weÂ’ll actually see a negotiated new peace/trade deal. Trumps about doing business and wars are expensive loss making exercises.
    I agree Trump will seek a Deal, but unlike everyone else, he is prepared to treat China as a hostile entity.

    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    One Chinese ballistic missile through the roof of Taiwan Semiconductor factories would send west back to dark ages, just look at chip shortages after covid. And in the west we wouldnÂ’t stomach the severe losses inflicted, our societies would break down.
    Just look at how public reacted to lives lost in Vietnam/iraq which would pale in numbers compared to conflict with China. And Ukraine has shown itÂ’s all about numbers despite western hi tech weapons of your a smaller population thereÂ’s always only going to be x amount of people suitable for combat duty. A country of 330 million with obesity problem is not going to win against 1.4 billion whose while lives have always been hard work.
    Vietnam, Iraq and even Ukraine are harder sells for the US Public. Taiwan might be seen as a 'not our problem' - but continued Chinese aggression makes the case to the American people easier to make.

    Whilst there is a numbers problem, to a degree - The battle of Conoco fields shows why this is less of a problem for the US than you make it out to be - whilst China might have a population advantage of 4:1, when the US has a kill tally of 100:0...

    Not to mention that the US has lots of recent experience of Casualty exfil and battlefield medicine.
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    When they’re shooting down their own jets coming in to land I think their systems aren’t as good as they think. If a cruiser is launching sams in panic mode it says to me they don’t have a comprehensive intel picture of what’s going g on around the carrier group.

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