Luxon ?

[pete376403]

Your post didn't make that clear so left ambiguity. That Luxon backed his minister is in my book a good thing for stability in the party's ranks and preferable to him undermining his minister in his role. .

National, having made the deal with ACT and NZFirst, has to support Seymour and Peters. The tail(s) wag the dog. Seymour and Peters, however, will have no problem undermining Luxon if it suits their purpose. The govt should be known as the cerberus party, after the three headed dog that prevent souls from leaving hell

[onearmedbandit]

National, having made the deal with ACT and NZFirst, has to support Seymour and Peters. The tail(s) wag the dog. Seymour and Peters, however, will have no problem undermining Luxon if it suits their purpose.

That's a valid point.

[F5 Dave]

Well I won't start a Willis thread and place this here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360...-politics-blog


To summarise, Nicola met with her old boss (figuratively) and concluded that NZ weren't getting a Raw deal.

We can all be happy that Fonterra are making lots fo export money and that is going to trickle down (and that always works great) to NZ public (maybe if you are a shareholder).
Also we should look at what the supermarkets are making, look over there.
We won't do anything about that either, just wring our hands and then walk away.


Well that's encouraging. Here was me thinking that, while they were making x% margin on NZ market and that was ok then. But now, Turns out that if they sent all our Domestic product overseas As well as the Export stuff, they would make more margin.

So it is ok to charge the NZ public more. So we deserve it, see?

Aren't they being nice to us?

[husaberg]

Well I won't start a Willis thread and place this here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360...-politics-blog


To summarise, Nicola met with her old boss (figuratively) and concluded that NZ weren't getting a Raw deal.

We can all be happy that Fonterra are making lots fo export money and that is going to trickle down (and that always works great) to NZ public (maybe if you are a shareholder).
Also we should look at what the supermarkets are making, look over there.
We won't do anything about that either, just wring our hands and then walk away.


Well that's encouraging. Here was me thinking that, while they were making x% margin on NZ market and that was ok then. But now, Turns out that if they sent all our Domestic product overseas As well as the Export stuff, they would make more margin.

So it is ok to charge the NZ public more. So we deserve it, see?

Aren't they being nice to us?

What's funny is Fonterra, being a privately owned company, in a free market is called in to explain to the Nats why they are using a free market model for pricing and not what the Nats would prefer in their "communist ideal ",where Fonterra would subsidise potential national party voters...

[F5 Dave]

It was just political theatre.
It would be like Luxton calling in Air NZ ceo to explain how they seem to be cutting services and charging like there's a red cape to gore.

Oh hello Francis. How are the wife and kids? Are you coming to the NY party this year?
Anyway, tell us how our share portfolio will increase while you [insert corporate talk] the consumers up the arse?


And no. I don't think labour politicians would be less disingenuous when self interest and funding were involved.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That's a valid point.

played out in the news every day. Today's example is about transgender sports - real people dont care about that. Real people care about paying their rates, affording butter at the hypermart and putting gas in their motorbikes. Luxon is fucking weak.

Say it with me peeps: these fuckers need to be a one-term gubblemunt.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What's funny is Fonterra, being a privately owned company, in a free market is called in to explain to the Nats why they are using a free market model for pricing and not what the Nats would prefer in their "communist ideal ",where Fonterra would subsidise potential national party voters...

I have a question. The gubblemunt is finally making noise about the supermarket duopoly and their visegrip on the supply chain and their ability to gouge consumers... so far lip service only but maybe something will come out of it. Similar legislative shenanigans were required to create the Font Error monopoly. Why not talk about busting that shit up? The "justification" was "Its so it can compete in world markets". Its effect is literally pricing locals out of being able to afford the products, which are staples in most households.

Maybe its time for some old fashioned seizing of the means of production by the proletariat?

Oh wait "Virgin Island" is on. Maybe after that.

Get with it sheeple!

[R650R]

Say it with me peeps: these fuckers need to be a one-term gubblemunt.

Are we forgetting already that most of current troubles were created by the other option which held power for NINE years with a “mandate” from the people. During that time we had an absolute failure to build even a small percentage of promised social housing, failure on promise of ending child poverty, and crime increased especially against vulnerable small businesses.
Rampant wasteful spending by central govt created more inflation and devalued our purchasing power leading to today’s butter prices.
National, Act and Winston arent without their faults but there’s some very big reasons why a majority voted them to power.
People won’t forget the Jacinda years in a hurry, the coalition would have to do orders of magnitude worse than now for the other option to be voted in again.

[sugilite:Me]

played out in the news every day. Today's example is about transgender sports - real people dont care about that. Real people care about paying their rates, affording butter at the hypermart and putting gas in their motorbikes. Luxon is fucking weak.

Say it with me peeps: these fuckers need to be a one-term gubblemunt.

I reckon Labor have got to jettison Hipkins as leader first to stand a chance, he just comes across as weak and not leadership material imo.

The Natwits, Actroll, NZ Last coalition have failed miserably to fix the economy as they promised they would. Yes, the last mob left a mess (they all say that no matter what), but here we are 1.5 years later and the needle is still moving in the wrong fucking direction.
Just this week....
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...oint-7-percent
Unemployment still rising
And more worryingly homelessness is rising fast, and the way this bullshit government are fudging the numbers to present to the public is about as transparent as a concrete block - if the real numbers were released......well......

I have a question. The gubblemunt is finally making noise about the supermarket duopoly and their visegrip on the supply chain and their ability to gouge consumers... so far lip service only but maybe something will come out of it.

Ahhh yes, fuck we need a bit of a distraction from this rising inflation! Which of the two oldest chestnuts are we going to make out we are working on this time??? Supermarket duopoly or Gas Prices? Fuck, petrol is low right now, duopoly it is! ©️Natwits ©️Laboured

[husaberg]

I have a question. The gubblemunt is finally making noise about the supermarket duopoly and their visegrip on the supply chain and their ability to gouge consumers... so far lip service only but maybe something will come out of it. Similar legislative shenanigans were required to create the Font Error monopoly. Why not talk about busting that shit up? The "justification" was "Its so it can compete in world markets". Its effect is literally pricing locals out of being able to afford the products, which are staples in most households.

Maybe its time for some old fashioned seizing of the means of production by the proletariat?

Oh wait "Virgin Island" is on. Maybe after that.

Get with it sheeple!

i do love the idea of a good old revolution. Not the reality of course.
The red ones made some noise about the banks and the supermarkets even were going to fine them maybe they did ,but it went all quiet suddenly.
The blue were going to have an inquiry but it went all quiet, as you will they were not get jobs on their boards after your political career is over if you make too many waves.....
come out to Ruapuna on sat i will be giving out butter and revolutionary party memberships. (special conditions apply)

[pritch]

People won’t forget the Jacinda years in a hurry,

You are right. We were incredibly lucky to have her at the time. If National were in power they'd have fucked up the COVID response like Boris and Trump did. Tens of thousands would have died. What most people fail to consider is that they themselves might have been among the tens of thousands.

[husaberg]

You are right. We were incredibly lucky to have her at the time. If National were in power they'd have fucked up the COVID response like Boris and Trump did. Tens of thousands would have died. What most people fail to consider is that they themselves might have been among the tens of thousands.

Yeah but those poor that didn't have medical insurance or were not living in a slum would not have been core National/Act voters.....
National and Act agreed with all the initial decisions but now their supporters want to rewrite history somewhat...
killing of the oldies would have cost the taxpayer less and most of them would have been winston voters so two birds...

[F5 Dave]

There is no question that English would have toed the line to keep tourism going in blind ignorance. Then yes we would have been so much more affected and be aghast that our hospitals couldn't cope. We'd have been like New York in our cities, not able to cope or have ambulances to get sick people as they'd be parked up full.

Stupid fucks didn't pay attention to the news overseas and say "oh it wasn't that bad"
Yeah. It wasn't Because of the path the government took.

When it finally came in it was a milder strain and most were vaccinated.

Maybe they went overboard with trying to prop the economy up, but some drastic things were happening overseas.

[husaberg]

There is no question that English would have toed the line to keep tourism going in blind ignorance. Then yes we would have been so much more affected and be aghast that our hospitals couldn't cope. We'd have been like New York in our cities, not able to cope or have ambulances to get sick people as they'd be parked up full.

Stupid fucks didn't pay attention to the news overseas and say "oh it wasn't that bad"
Yeah. It wasn't Because of the path the government took.

When it finally came in it was a milder strain and most were vaccinated.

Maybe they went overboard with trying to prop the economy up, but some drastic things were happening overseas.

Lost my original post,
But take a few minutes to listen to this 22-25 % Samoan of population in 3 weeks, In contrast NZ lost 2-3% in WW1 anf the Spanish Flu.



it wont effect the antivaxers though, they know better and can predict epidemics and virus mutations better than scientists can.

[Katman]

Today's example is about transgender sports - real people dont care about that.

A fuck load of real people* would beg to differ.




*Those of us not confused about their gender.