RUC's for all road vehicles, this will be fun.

[R650R]

EVs are already paying RUC. And the comment about minimum threshold on diesels is correct.All diesels pay the same rate from 0 to 3500kg .That put me off buying a 1.4 diesel many moons ago. RUC for EVs and light diesels is nearly 8 c a kilometre
My wife has a Toyota yaris hybrid. The bloody thing does 70-80 mpg (3.33-3.8 l per 100ks) She pays no RUC whereas PHEV vehicles do at approx 5 c a kilometer and pay fuel tax ..There is a loophole.
I dont know how they will do this as the current RUc system is a manual one. Its up to you to keep track of the mileage and to purchase the RUC online or at a VTNZ.Conversely there is no real means to keep track of RUC for the authorities,unless you happen to have a chat at a traffic stop.
I suspect this may be recorded at WOF time
The RUC takes a big chunk of change, ie you have to shell out nearly 800 bucks to buy 10000 ks of RUC(you save a small ammount on "admin").There will be a number of people who wont be able to purchase 10000 ks as they dont have any spare cash.

With modern technology I’d expect it to auto bill in real time prob for say each 100km of travel.
Haven’t bought RUC in awhile but think the 10,000 km one is prob buying a time based licence. Sure last Eroad unit had was auto buying 1000km blocks online as you covered x amount of distance.

I expect the only thing expensive in terms of large unexpected bills will be for non compliance to discourage any creative evasion efforts. Remember this is tax as govt gets very upset if it’s not paid.

I think we should rejoice in option of now being able to buy the gas guzzling 131 Harley or V8 car you wanted but couldn’t afford the fuel bill for. And maybe just maybe if caravans and boat trailers have to pay seperate RUC just like truck trailers do it will mean less of them on road.

[R650R]

https://nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/road-u.../ruc-licences/

https://www.eroad.co.nz/products/ruc...eroad-autoruc/

[BMWST?]

They have already introduced RUC in retrospect on EV's, so they are likely to be aware of many potential problems in putting a new system in place. Is it going to make my motorbike cheaper to run? Can't imagine it being cheaper for anyone. The RUC's will balance it out and is ALL tax being removed at the pump? I know that sounds cynical but history shows….

the number of EVs in NZ is far more manageable than what they are proposing

[BMWST?]

With modern technology I’d expect it to auto bill in real time prob for say each 100km of travel.
Haven’t bought RUC in awhile but think the 10,000 km one is prob buying a time based licence. Sure last Eroad unit had was auto buying 1000km blocks online as you covered x amount of distance.

I expect the only thing expensive in terms of large unexpected bills will be for non compliance to discourage any creative evasion efforts. Remember this is tax as govt gets very upset if it’s not paid.

I think we should rejoice in option of now being able to buy the gas guzzling 131 Harley or V8 car you wanted but couldn’t afford the fuel bill for. And maybe just maybe if caravans and boat trailers have to pay seperate RUC just like truck trailers do it will mean less of them on road.

10,000 km is 10,000 km.Its how I buy my ruc...evrytime ,its not time based its 10,000 km

[nerrrd]

Hard to see how this will ever happen without massive cost blowouts and delays. If and when it does, no doubt we’ll have the same level of savings and service to look forward to as we currently enjoy from our electricity providers.

NZ doesn’t do complicated tax systems well, as evidenced by us charging GST on everything, unlike pretty much every other country with a value added tax that somehow manages to cope with exemptions that we couldn’t possibly entertain.

[rastuscat]

The biggest problem is the vacuum of information. Especially in regard to how it will be applied.

Leaving us all to speculate about how they will implement it, how we can minimise it, or even avoid it. It's going to be quite fun.

It's going to be a couple of years before most of these answers are available.

[pritch]

There will be a number of people who wont be able to purchase 10000 ks as they dont have any spare cash.

That number will be quite large I suspect. That was my first thought when I heard this on the news. Paying as you buy gas is painless - relatively.

Technology comes with glitches though, for example the handicapped vehicles getting parking fines because the system reads the plates but it doesn't read the disability card.

[rastuscat]

That number will be quite large I suspect. That was my first thought when I heard this on the news. Paying as you buy gas is painless - relatively.

Paying as you buy isn't quite so painless, when you realise that about 70 cents per litre is tax. The model is moving it from pay-per-purchase to post-paid, where people pay for what they have used.

The big thing the minister said appears to have been missed. He said that they are doing this because the overall tax take is reducing as cars become more fuel efficient, with hybrid technology, and even with smaller capacity twin turbos designed for fuel economy. My Golf 1.4 litre win turbo uses 4.8 - 5.1 l/100 km. My wifes Jeep uses 10.5 l/100. We don't use the Jeep much.

If the aim is to maintain or increase the overall tax take, there's only one way that can happen. Everyone pays more.

Well, actually, not everyone. Some people will be able to adapt their travel to minimise the RUC they pay. Anyone who can use public transport may do that. Anyone who can ride a bicycle might do that. Any trip that can be taken without incurring RUC will now be fair game. Of course, not everyone has that opportunity. But many do.

A couple of years of such speculation is going to be fun.

[JimO]

will those fancy plate recognition safety (ahem) cameras pick up people whose rucs are unpaid like their rego has lapsed and haven’t had a wof since 2008 even if they arnt speeding

[nerrrd]

If the aim is to maintain or increase the overall tax take, there's only one way that can happen. Everyone pays more.

Amen. But once the private providers are entrenched and turn themselves into a cartel, the existing petrol companys’ cartel use the opportunity to increase their margins, and the set up costs are paid back, I expect to be paying much more than the excise tax.

[rastuscat]

will those fancy plate recognition safety (ahem) cameras pick up people whose rucs are unpaid like their rego has lapsed and haven’t had a wof since 2008 even if they arnt speeding

Shameless self promotion about cameras.

https://www.compass.fm/listen?open=c...4-fdc9520d5492

Sorry.

[jellywrestler]

Disincentivices people moving to Diesil and Electric cars.

That said. Fast forward 20 years. What % of the fleet on the road will be Electric? What if none of them payed for road upkeep?

ev's and hybrids got RUC's a few months ago

[jellywrestler]

They have already introduced RUC in retrospect on EV's, so they are likely to be aware of many potential problems in putting a new system in place. Is it going to make my motorbike cheaper to run? Can't imagine it being cheaper for anyone.

for many here it will skyrocket, cause this system will show vehicles on the road and align the info with registration, it's been coming, they'll know you're riding driving an unregistered machine

[jellywrestler]

Paying as you buy isn't quite so painless, when you realise that about 70 cents per litre is tax. The model is moving it from pay-per-purchase to post-paid, where people pay for what they have used.

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my ruc's are purchased in advance, sometimes months worth so how come you think this new shit will be paid afterwards? it makes no sense

[nerrrd]

I’ve heard someone supposedly involved in the consultation process mention physical transponders being installed on vehicles, that’s going to open up a whole new can of worms.